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Why not truncate that intervention at the root by limiting angelic ability to materialize and to have viable offspring from women?
Why not truncate that intervention at the root by limiting angelic ability to materialize and to have viable offspring from women?
That it is allowed is obvious as are the plans to bring it to an end. The answer as to why it is allowed in the first place isn't as obvious.Could one not use the same logic and ask why God allows any evil to continue in this world? When satan deceived Adam and Eve they lost dominion over this earth they were given and it was transferred to satan and his crowd.
All of this will come to an end, in God’s timeframe, according to His plan.
Even angels have freewill ! If they were not allowed to exercise it would not be freewill.That it is allowed is obvious as are the plans to bring it to an end. The answer as to why it is allowed in the first place isn't as obvious.
But the same can be said about his not ever intervening based on human and angelic free will. Yet he has and promises that he will intervene.Even angels have freewill !
At the appointed time He will intervene that time has not yet come. Prayer, spiritual warfare and Gods overall will restrains some evil but if you just look at our world today much is unchecked.But the same can be said about his not ever intervening based on human and angelic free will. Yet he has and promises that he will intervene.
You offered free will as the reason that he chose to allow angels to come to earth marry women and produce Nephilim which resulted in his decision to bring the Noachian Flood. In short, his respect for free will prevented him from stopping that behavior from starting but it did not stop him from stopping it later. There is a contradiction there.At the appointed time He will intervene that time has not yet come. Prayer, spiritual warfare and Gods overall will restrains some evil but if you just look at our world today much is unchecked.
You offered free will as the reason that he chose to allow angels to come to earth marry women and produce Nephilim which resulted in his decision to bring the Noachian Flood. In short, his respect for free will prevented him from stopping that behavior from starting but it did not stop him from stopping it later. There is a contradiction there.
But if indeed so, then the Flood failed since the angels were once more taking women and procreating. That goes contrary to what Peter told us befell those angels during the Flood. It tells us they were restrained.I see no contradiction I don’t believe the flood stopped the behavior. We still find Nephilim after the flood.
Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
I believe the flood was to preserve a pure uncontaminated blood line of Noah, so Jesus could fulfill God’s plan of redemption.
Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
It is my belief perfect in his generations does not refer to his standing with God, it refers to his DNA , his bloodline uncontaminated and thru which Jesus would come. The verse said Noah was a just man, that spoke to his standing before God.
Verse 9 starts with “these are the generations of Noah”, and verse 10 list his sons, his blood line to follow and thru their descendants would come Jesus.
But if indeed so, then the Flood failed since the angels were once more taking women and procreating. That goes contrary to what Peter told us befell those angels during the Flood. It tells us they were restrained.
2 Peter 2:4. Here we read that "God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them into Tartarus and committed them to pits of darkness (sirois zophou), reserved for judgment". The allusion is to the angels that intermarried with human females.
If that report was merely what the spies THOUGHT they were seeing, then there is no contradiction.
That is the contention of the Book of Enoch. But (for almost all of) us that is not a book in the canon. It may contain some truths, but cannot be looked at as infallible or used as the basis of doctrine.I believe the flood was to preserve a pure uncontaminated blood line of Noah, so Jesus could fulfill God’s plan of redemption.
That would line up with Paul's meaning:All fallen angels did not participate many are free today working their evil.
I am not convinced that the spies wee just misreporting what they saw. Permission of genetic contamination via the SAME type of angelic disobedience after a flood specifically designed to terminate genetic contamination via angelic disobedience seems a rather uselessly redundant way to go about things. Jesus 'line of descent was protected by the survival of Noah and the choosing of Shem. Israel was God's nation through whom the Messiah would arrive.The flood did not fail, Jesus was born, and God’s promise was fulfilled. The are many theories on why Nephilim continued and we have limited information available. Let me just offer a possible solution. All fallen angels did not participate many are free today working their evil. I see no contradiction with Jude, the ones that did participate are held in chains Jude simply does not say that happened all at one time. What we know for sure is there are Nephilim before and after the flood.
Why not truncate that intervention at the root by limiting angelic ability to materialize and to have viable offspring from women?
I actually met a woman who gleefully spoke about that nightly ravishing visit as normal and talked about other women who spoke the same way. It seems that although unable to materialize they are still interested in human females. Note also that most mediums are female. Question is why allow this?I know that there are in many women darkest fantasies to be sexually ravaged by Angels. But as it says that sexual immorality doesn't comes from God, but it has came from the world. The forbidden fruit is of the world.
John 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
Matthew 22:30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
1 John 2:16 For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.
That is the contention of the Book of Enoch. But (for almost all of) us that is not a book in the canon. It may contain some truths, but cannot be looked at as infallible or used as the basis of doctrine.
Not just Jude. Peter and Paul seem to allude to it as well (but not actually quote it). IOW, it was a popular book in theological circles in the first century.I respect and understand your reluctance to give any weight to Enoch I would just say while it is not cannon for most (it is in the Ethiopian church) it was quoted by Jude in our cannon and had some historical relevance at least, to him.