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Recently there was a discussion regarding the so called "Mosiac Law" that was closed. This caused the discussion, an important one in my view, to stop, including ridding me of the opportunity to respond to a reply. There is a lot of confusion surrounding this issue, and it seems prudent to study it.
Moses didn't, that is why God said after the Golden calf, " And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.
But Israel did.
Moses was chosen by God to be a mediator between God and the Children of Israel. After the Golden calf, there was no Covenant between God and Israel, but there still was between God and Moses.
30 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.
It was after this that Levi was "Separated" from all of Israel to minister before God in the Priest's Office. So instead of becoming a kingdom of Priests, God placed a Priesthood over them.
Duet. 18: 1 The priests the Levites, and all the tribe of Levi, shall have no part nor inheritance with Israel: they shall eat the offerings of the LORD made by fire, and his inheritance. 2 Therefore shall they have no inheritance among their brethren: the LORD is their inheritance, as he hath said unto them.
So God's Covenant He brought Abraham into, is what the Children of Israel, not Moses, Broke.
"Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
But after the golden calf, a different Law was "ADDED", as God Separated Levi from Israel, to be a Kingdom of Priests for them, until the true High Priest of God should come.
"The goats covenant"??? Mocking God and HIS Law is most common among the "many" who come in Christ's Name. You know better than this, but you can't control your flesh.
Nevertheless, not to repay evil for evil, I will show you where I find the Priesthood Covenant which requires animal sacrifice for remission of sins.
Lev. 4: 27 And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty; 28 Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. 29 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering. 30 And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. 31 And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat is taken away from off the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD; and the priest shall make an atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him.
The mainstream preachers of Christ's Time thought the same about HIM, when HE pointed out the hypocrisy in the religion they had adopted. It's perfectly normal to hide from the Light in order to preserve religious tradition.
Gen. 17: 1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. 2 And I will make "my covenant" between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
Gen. 18: 19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
Gen. 26: 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
God Himself said "Ex. 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey "my voice indeed", (Like Abraham your father) and keep my covenant, "then" ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, "and" an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
#1. The manner in which God's Laws are received.
#2. The manner in which forgiveness of Sin, is provided for.
Both duties of the Levitical Priesthood.
If you mean "Is God's instruction in Righteousness, judgment and Justice that He gave Abraham, the same as God's instruction in righteousness, judgment and justice HE gave to Abraham's Children? I find no evidence that HE gives children different instructions than HE gave their fathers.
Only that the manner in which we receive God's instruction, and the manner in which transgressions are forgiven, has changed, at least according to Scriptures.
John 8: 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
John 10: 30 I and my Father are one.
John 17: For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
Yes, the Covenant of Abraham that God furthered on to the Children of Israel, which Covenant they Broke.
GDL; The Children of Israel, a.k.a. Moses and Israel broke the Abrahamic Covenant?
Moses didn't, that is why God said after the Golden calf, " And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.
But Israel did.
And the Covenant God made directly with Israel, "because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord." (Heb. 8)
GDL; What Covenant God made directly with Israel? Do you mean with Moses & Israel?
Moses was chosen by God to be a mediator between God and the Children of Israel. After the Golden calf, there was no Covenant between God and Israel, but there still was between God and Moses.
30 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.
It was after this that Levi was "Separated" from all of Israel to minister before God in the Priest's Office. So instead of becoming a kingdom of Priests, God placed a Priesthood over them.
Duet. 18: 1 The priests the Levites, and all the tribe of Levi, shall have no part nor inheritance with Israel: they shall eat the offerings of the LORD made by fire, and his inheritance. 2 Therefore shall they have no inheritance among their brethren: the LORD is their inheritance, as he hath said unto them.
So God's Covenant He brought Abraham into, is what the Children of Israel, not Moses, Broke.
"Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
But after the golden calf, a different Law was "ADDED", as God Separated Levi from Israel, to be a Kingdom of Priests for them, until the true High Priest of God should come.
Moses interceded on their behalf. If another Covenant wasn't needed, why did Moses have to "and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin."(Ex. 32)
GDL; Is this where you come up with thegoats covenant"Ministry of death"?
"The goats covenant"??? Mocking God and HIS Law is most common among the "many" who come in Christ's Name. You know better than this, but you can't control your flesh.
Nevertheless, not to repay evil for evil, I will show you where I find the Priesthood Covenant which requires animal sacrifice for remission of sins.
Lev. 4: 27 And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty; 28 Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. 29 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering. 30 And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. 31 And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat is taken away from off the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD; and the priest shall make an atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him.
The reason why you and the Pharisees can't accept this truth, is not because it isn't true, but because the philosophies of the religious sects and businesses of this world you doth have adopted, could not stand if you accepted this truth.
GDL; You have a lot of meaningless opinions which I'm going to bypass for the moment.
The mainstream preachers of Christ's Time thought the same about HIM, when HE pointed out the hypocrisy in the religion they had adopted. It's perfectly normal to hide from the Light in order to preserve religious tradition.
The separation between the Priesthood Covenant God gave Levi, and God's Statutes, Judgments Laws and Commandments Abraham and his Children were given, is clearly there
GDL; And this is the point where your view comes together. I'm going to add the NC part as I understand you from elsewhere. You can correct me if you see the need. :
- God
made a Covenant with Abrahambrought Abraham into HIS Covenant.
Gen. 17: 1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. 2 And I will make "my covenant" between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
Yes, God gave Abraham "HIS LAW", so that Abraham would know the "Way of the Lord" in order to "Keep it".
- God gave Abraham His Law
Gen. 18: 19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
Gen. 26: 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Gen. 15: 13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety "that thy seed" (Abraham's Children) shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
- God passed the Covenant with Abraham and His Law to
the nation Israel.Abraham's Children.
God Himself said "Ex. 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey "my voice indeed", (Like Abraham your father) and keep my covenant, "then" ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, "and" an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Ex. 20: 22 And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven. 23 Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.
- Israel broke
the Covenant and Laws God made with AbrahamGod's Laws and God's Covenant (at the Golden Calf incident).
Mark 16: 19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
- God made a Priesthood Covenant with Levi
(a.k.a. the goats sacrifices)AKA, "The Levitical Priesthood".- In the NC God changed the Priesthood Law (Heb7)
from Levi to Christfrom the "Order of Aaron", to the "Order of Melchizedek" andtransferred tosent Jesus Christthe Law He gave to Abraham. to administer before God in the Priest's Office. Where HE still is.
So:
- God is writing
the Law He gave to Abraham"HIS LAW"on our hearts. on the hearts of them who repent and turn to Him from the heart.
The God of the Bible said in HIS Definition of HIS New Covenant, that 2 things changed.
#1. The manner in which God's Laws are received.
#2. The manner in which forgiveness of Sin, is provided for.
Both duties of the Levitical Priesthood.
- Is all the Law that God gave to Moses except for the Priesthood section the Law God gave to Abraham?
If you mean "Is God's instruction in Righteousness, judgment and Justice that He gave Abraham, the same as God's instruction in righteousness, judgment and justice HE gave to Abraham's Children? I find no evidence that HE gives children different instructions than HE gave their fathers.
Only that the manner in which we receive God's instruction, and the manner in which transgressions are forgiven, has changed, at least according to Scriptures.
- Is the Law of Christ the same as the Law God gave to Abraham?
John 8: 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
John 10: 30 I and my Father are one.
John 17: For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.