Was Noah's flood global?

[tonychanyt]

Genesis 6:

20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive.​

Was Noah's flood global?

No, according to Barnes:

For the sake of Noah, the animal species also shall be preserved, "two of each, male and female." They are to come in pairs for propagation. The fowl, the cattle, the creeping thing or smaller animals, are to come. From this it appears that the wild animals are not included among the inmates of the ark. ... As the deluge was universal only in respect to the human race, it was not necessary to include any animals but those that were near man, and within the range of the overwhelming waters. Fodder and other provisions for a year have to be laid in.​

Did Noah have marsupial kangaroos in the ark?

No, according to Barnes, it was not a worldwide flood but it looked like one to Noah. As far as Noah could tell, his world died. For all intents and purposes of the redemption story, it was a catastrophic/global event: all humans died except Noah's family. That's the point.

National Center for Science Education gives more detailed calculations:

Because of the curvature of the earth, the horizon drops from where the viewer is standing. However, the drop is proportional to the square of the distance between the viewer and an object on the horizon (Young nd). From these relationships, it can be seen that a tribal chief (or Noah) standing on the deck of a large boat (Ark), perhaps 7.8 meters above the water, would not be able to see the tops of any hills as high as 15 m from as little as 24 km away across flood plains covered with water because the curvature of the earth prevents it (See the Appendix for examples of calculations). Most hills in this region that are as much as 15 m high are more than 95 km away from the river levees. Therefore, the survivors of the Flood could see only water in all directions while they were floating down the Tigris River and over the flood plains. Many of these hills would also be partly covered with water which would make their tops project less above the water level, and therefore, the curvature of the earth would make them disappear from the line of sight in even a shorter distance than 24 km.​

There is also a parallel Babylonian Story of the Flood written in about 1750 BC. Both stories called for a worldwide flood to destroy mankind. Even though the flood wasn't global, all humans in the world were killed except Noah's family.

 

[d taylor]

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No global, but it (waters) covered all the earth

 

[tonychanyt]

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No but it covered all the earth

Define earth.

 

[d taylor]

Define earth.

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Land / Ground

 

[tonychanyt]

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Land / Ground

Right

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Genesis 6:

20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive.​

Was Noah's flood global?

No, according to Barnes:

For the sake of Noah, the animal species also shall be preserved, "two of each, male and female." They are to come in pairs for propagation. The fowl, the cattle, the creeping thing or smaller animals, are to come. From this it appears that the wild animals are not included among the inmates of the ark. ... As the deluge was universal only in respect to the human race, it was not necessary to include any animals but those that were near man, and within the range of the overwhelming waters. Fodder and other provisions for a year have to be laid in.​

Did Noah have marsupial kangaroos in the ark?

No, according to Barnes, it was not a worldwide flood but it looked like one to Noah. As far as Noah could tell, his world died. For all intents and purposes of the redemption story, it was a catastrophic/global event: all humans died except Noah's family. That's the point.

National Center for Science Education gives more detailed calculations:

Because of the curvature of the earth, the horizon drops from where the viewer is standing. However, the drop is proportional to the square of the distance between the viewer and an object on the horizon (Young nd). From these relationships, it can be seen that a tribal chief (or Noah) standing on the deck of a large boat (Ark), perhaps 7.8 meters above the water, would not be able to see the tops of any hills as high as 15 m from as little as 24 km away across flood plains covered with water because the curvature of the earth prevents it (See the Appendix for examples of calculations). Most hills in this region that are as much as 15 m high are more than 95 km away from the river levees. Therefore, the survivors of the Flood could see only water in all directions while they were floating down the Tigris River and over the flood plains. Many of these hills would also be partly covered with water which would make their tops project less above the water level, and therefore, the curvature of the earth would make them disappear from the line of sight in even a shorter distance than 24 km.​

There is also a parallel Babylonian Story of the Flood written in about 1750 BC. Both stories called for a world-wide flood to destroy mankind.

What do you make of the flood myths in other cultures especially from indigenous peoples from North America. Blessings

 

[trophy33]

Global? No. (9 on your scale)
Universal? Probably (6-7 on your scale).

 

[eleos1954]

Genesis 6:

20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive.​

Was Noah's flood global?

No, according to Barnes:

For the sake of Noah, the animal species also shall be preserved, "two of each, male and female." They are to come in pairs for propagation. The fowl, the cattle, the creeping thing or smaller animals, are to come. From this it appears that the wild animals are not included among the inmates of the ark. ... As the deluge was universal only in respect to the human race, it was not necessary to include any animals but those that were near man, and within the range of the overwhelming waters. Fodder and other provisions for a year have to be laid in.​

Did Noah have marsupial kangaroos in the ark?

No, according to Barnes, it was not a worldwide flood but it looked like one to Noah. As far as Noah could tell, his world died. For all intents and purposes of the redemption story, it was a catastrophic/global event: all humans died except Noah's family. That's the point.

National Center for Science Education gives more detailed calculations:

Because of the curvature of the earth, the horizon drops from where the viewer is standing. However, the drop is proportional to the square of the distance between the viewer and an object on the horizon (Young nd). From these relationships, it can be seen that a tribal chief (or Noah) standing on the deck of a large boat (Ark), perhaps 7.8 meters above the water, would not be able to see the tops of any hills as high as 15 m from as little as 24 km away across flood plains covered with water because the curvature of the earth prevents it (See the Appendix for examples of calculations). Most hills in this region that are as much as 15 m high are more than 95 km away from the river levees. Therefore, the survivors of the Flood could see only water in all directions while they were floating down the Tigris River and over the flood plains. Many of these hills would also be partly covered with water which would make their tops project less above the water level, and therefore, the curvature of the earth would make them disappear from the line of sight in even a shorter distance than 24 km.​

There is also a parallel Babylonian Story of the Flood written in about 1750 BC. Both stories called for a world-wide flood to destroy mankind.

According to the Word of God ... there was a global flood .... believe God or believe man (Barnes?) I'm sticking with the Lords Word.

 

[tonychanyt]

What do you make of the flood myths in other cultures especially from indigenous peoples from North America. Blessings

I don't know of any. Do you have a reference?

 

[Blade]

Hmm starting to see something.. anyway.

Not sure why you post Barns. I know the world does not believe it was world wide. Depends on "who" you choose to believe. Best to speak word of life faith not doubt

 

[tonychanyt]

Hmm starting to see something.. anyway.

Not sure why you post Barns. I know the world does not believe it was world wide. Depends on "who" you choose to believe. Best to speak word of life faith not doubt

Albert Barnes' commentary is well respected.

 

[Soyeong]

Genesis 6:

20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive.​

Was Noah's flood global?

No, according to Barnes:

For the sake of Noah, the animal species also shall be preserved, "two of each, male and female." They are to come in pairs for propagation. The fowl, the cattle, the creeping thing or smaller animals, are to come. From this it appears that the wild animals are not included among the inmates of the ark. ... As the deluge was universal only in respect to the human race, it was not necessary to include any animals but those that were near man, and within the range of the overwhelming waters. Fodder and other provisions for a year have to be laid in.​

Did Noah have marsupial kangaroos in the ark?

No, according to Barnes, it was not a worldwide flood but it looked like one to Noah. As far as Noah could tell, his world died. For all intents and purposes of the redemption story, it was a catastrophic/global event: all humans died except Noah's family. That's the point.

National Center for Science Education gives more detailed calculations:

Because of the curvature of the earth, the horizon drops from where the viewer is standing. However, the drop is proportional to the square of the distance between the viewer and an object on the horizon (Young nd). From these relationships, it can be seen that a tribal chief (or Noah) standing on the deck of a large boat (Ark), perhaps 7.8 meters above the water, would not be able to see the tops of any hills as high as 15 m from as little as 24 km away across flood plains covered with water because the curvature of the earth prevents it (See the Appendix for examples of calculations). Most hills in this region that are as much as 15 m high are more than 95 km away from the river levees. Therefore, the survivors of the Flood could see only water in all directions while they were floating down the Tigris River and over the flood plains. Many of these hills would also be partly covered with water which would make their tops project less above the water level, and therefore, the curvature of the earth would make them disappear from the line of sight in even a shorter distance than 24 km.​

There is also a parallel Babylonian Story of the Flood written in about 1750 BC. Both stories called for a world-wide flood to destroy mankind.

The Bible is written from an observer perspective, so when it says the the water covered the earth it is speaking as far as Noah observed, not suggesting that he traveled to everywhere on the planet to verify that the whole planet was flooded. The Hebrew word “eretz” means “land”, and while it can refer to the whole planet, it can also used by the Bible to refer to a local area such as the land of Egypt or the land of Israel. A flood the covered 10 million square miles would still be catastrophic and match with the description of the flood in the Bible while only flooding a small fraction of the earth’s total surface area. This is not to say that it wasn’t global, just that there is room to interpret it as being local.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I don't know of any. Do you have a reference?

If you consider Wikipedia a source, here you go...

List of flood myths - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[tonychanyt]

The Bible is written from an observer perspective, so when it says the the water covered the earth it is speaking as far as Noah observed, not suggesting that he traveled to everywhere on the planet to verify that the whole planet was flooded. The Hebrew word “eretz” means “land”, and while it can refer to the whole planet, it can also used by the Bible to refer to a local area such as the land of Egypt or the land of Israel. A flood the covered 10 million square miles would still be catastrophic and match with the description of the flood in the Bible while only flooding a small fraction of the earth’s total surface area. This is not to say that it wasn’t global, just that there is room to interpret it as being local.

That's impressive even First-Order Logical

 

[tonychanyt]

If you consider Wikipedia a source, here you go...

List of flood myths - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Interesting myths. I don't know what to make of them. Sorry, but even Noah's story is giving me a headache at times

 

[notworthconsideration]

Genesis 6:

20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive.​

Was Noah's flood global?

No, according to Barnes:

For the sake of Noah, the animal species also shall be preserved, "two of each, male and female." They are to come in pairs for propagation. The fowl, the cattle, the creeping thing or smaller animals, are to come. From this it appears that the wild animals are not included among the inmates of the ark. ... As the deluge was universal only in respect to the human race, it was not necessary to include any animals but those that were near man, and within the range of the overwhelming waters. Fodder and other provisions for a year have to be laid in.​

Did Noah have marsupial kangaroos in the ark?

No, according to Barnes, it was not a worldwide flood but it looked like one to Noah. As far as Noah could tell, his world died. For all intents and purposes of the redemption story, it was a catastrophic/global event: all humans died except Noah's family. That's the point.

National Center for Science Education gives more detailed calculations:

Because of the curvature of the earth, the horizon drops from where the viewer is standing. However, the drop is proportional to the square of the distance between the viewer and an object on the horizon (Young nd). From these relationships, it can be seen that a tribal chief (or Noah) standing on the deck of a large boat (Ark), perhaps 7.8 meters above the water, would not be able to see the tops of any hills as high as 15 m from as little as 24 km away across flood plains covered with water because the curvature of the earth prevents it (See the Appendix for examples of calculations). Most hills in this region that are as much as 15 m high are more than 95 km away from the river levees. Therefore, the survivors of the Flood could see only water in all directions while they were floating down the Tigris River and over the flood plains. Many of these hills would also be partly covered with water which would make their tops project less above the water level, and therefore, the curvature of the earth would make them disappear from the line of sight in even a shorter distance than 24 km.​

There is also a parallel Babylonian Story of the Flood written in about 1750 BC. Both stories called for a world-wide flood to destroy mankind.

The entire earth was flooded according to the Word; nowhere in scripture does the Hebrew word for global or planet appear.
So, the answer is “Yes” to all God’s earth,
“No” to global.

 

[David Kent]

I don't know of any. Do you have a reference?

I read a book on Chinese ancient history and it mentions the earliest Chinese dynasty that had writing and it said that after the flood the earth was re-created by a god called nu whah. It was a secular book and didn't comment on the name but it looks very much like Noah.

 

[tonychanyt]

I read a book on Chinese ancient history and it mentions the earliest Chinese dynasty that had writing and it said that after the flood the earth was re-created by a god called nu whah. It was a secular book and didn't comment on the name but it looks very much like Noah.

Thanks for the info. This is how to do referencing in a scholarly manner:

1. Display and indent the quoted text.
2. Selectively bold the relevant keywords that are important to the point that you are making. No need to bold the entire sentence. Have a laser-sharp focus.
3. Be concise and precise to the point. No need to quote the whole chapter.

This is what I do for others who read my posts. It is a standard high-school scholarship. If you practice this, I guarantee you: it will improve your analytical thinking. In any case, no one is required to do it

 

[David Kent]

Thanks for the info. This is how to do referencing in a scholarly manner:

1. Display and indent the quoted text.
2. Selectively bold the relevant keywords that are important to the point that you are making. No need to bold the entire sentence. Have a laser-sharp focus.
3. Be concise and precise to the point. No need to quote the whole chapter.

This is what I do for others who read my posts. It is a standard high-school scholarship. If you practice this, I guarantee you: it will improve your analytical thinking. In any case, no one is required to do it

Thanks for the lesson. I didn't get high school scholarship, just the school of life.

 

[David Kent]

To all you doubters I have one question.

Has God Said?

Why would God give a rainbow to mark His Promise the
whole world would not be flooded again it it was only a local flood?

The earth was not divided till the time of Peleg.


Hath God Said?