Voices from Iraq.

[Evangelion]

See here.

And just for the record, I do support a war on Iraq.

A regime change is definitely in order.

 

[Blindfaith]

I thought by the title of your thread you were talking about Baghdad Sean spoutin' off at the mouth over there

 

[ZiSunka]

Originally posted by Evangelion
See here.

And just for the record, I do support a war on Iraq.

A regime change is definitely in order.

And the US has such a good record of overthrowing a governement of another country and establishing a better government for them, huh?

 

[Blindfaith]

How about Afghanistan?  If the liberation of that country was so horrible, why were the people in the streets dancing, shouting and celebrating?

Would the Iraqi people be better off with Hussein still there?  Are you kidding?  Noooo wayyyy.

 

[Doctrine1st]

The situation in Afghanistan is far from settled, as usual we have liberated them from one group of nuts, to our "nuts of the moment" and per history destined to be our, "future pain in the ___" As we did with both Osama and Saddam.

It's kind of like when the police depends on one rat to help them do away with another rat, but soon, that rat they helped then soons become the pain and they again seek the help of another rat, and the cycle continues.

Happy Holidays, Doctrine1st

 

[seebs]

Yeah, I mean, look at how much trouble we've had with Germany and Japan since WWII. Those meddling idiots! The Americans will never learn.

 

[fin]

Germany and Japan are excelent examples of what the US can do when it tries to be helpful. In third world countries, however, the US doesn't try and assist the economy and the average person. It is much easier for the US to support another dictator who assists the US in turn for its support.

Someone gave the example of Afghanistan. It is too early to determine if the US has helped, but the short term affects on the poor have been negative. The poor have come out of the war in a worse position than they were in before.

Vietnam would be another great example of US military involvment. I am speaking of before the Vietnam war. Vietnam was then a colony of France and was fighting for independence. The US sided with France, of course. When France was beaten, the US supported a man named Diem, one of the most brutal dictators in the world. Later, during the Vietnam war we supported a General who had fought with the French against Vietnam in its battle for independence. The General was even quoted as saying that Hitler was a great hero.


I have no confidence that US involvment in Iraq will help the people of that country.

 

[Evangelion]

Lamb'slove -

And the US has such a good record of overthrowing a governement of another country and establishing a better government for them, huh?

Well, here's your chance to get it right for a change.

 

[Blessed-one]

a war may just unite the iraq people.

 

[David Gould]

I hope that it will turn out well, although I have my fears. I hope that the aid promised finally gets through to the people in full so that the rebuilding can begin in earnest. This winter in Afghanistan, even in the capital Kabul, looks as though it will be pretty grim, though.

 

I think that Germany and Japan are excellent models for the way that any post invasion Iraq government should be set up.

 

[David Gould]

Originally posted by Blessed-one
a war may just unite the iraq people.

That unfortunately may well be true.

I do not support a war but I fear we are going to get one anyway

 

[Blessed-one]

well, it sounds like it. Bush seems pretty keen on his words.

 

[fin]

The US (specifically Pres. Bush) will look stupid if Iraq complies with the UN. Then there will be no excuse to go to war and the military buildup will be for nothing. I have a bad feeling there will be a war somewhere just to save face.

 

[Blessed-one]

well, it looks like whatever Iraq does, Bush's gonna go ahead anyway. It depends on whether you really believe that Iraq isn't hiding something, in this case, Bush believes that Sadam IS hiding something behind his back.

 

[Doctrine1st]

Originally posted by seebs
Yeah, I mean, look at how much trouble we've had with Germany and Japan since WWII. Those meddling idiots! The Americans will never learn.

I guess in such a short time frame you forgot why we were in Afghanistan? That rat we propted up and supported in power, Bin Laden and the Taliban is still around, it was not our goal to liberate those of Afghansitan, we meant to exterminate those in power and much of his organization is still intact, including the ones still here someplace in America.

Happy holidays, D1st

 

[strathyboy]

Originally posted by seebs
Yeah, I mean, look at how much trouble we've had with Germany and Japan since WWII. Those meddling idiots! The Americans will never learn.

Not that I necessarily disagree with this, but I thought I'd point out that Germany and Japan, while wearied by war, were both modernized, urban, and industrial powerhouses. They were quickly able to adapt to a new system because of this. Iraq is neither modern or industrialized to the same extent, so they might face more trouble. Hence we get the difference between helping out a first world country and helping out a third world country. The former is easy, while the latter, as history proves, is not.