Truth or tradition/pagan holidays

[W2L]

Christmas isnt the Lords birthday anyway. Its hard to say its his birthday when its just not true. I dont care if people want to celebrate Christmas, but lets not say its something that its not.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Jeremiah 10:1-5 What on earth does cutting down an evergreen tree, bringing it into your house and decorating it have anything to do with the birth of Yeshua??

 

[W2L]

Jeremiah 10:1-5 What on earth does cutting down an evergreen tree, bringing it into your house and decorating it have anything to do with the birth of Yeshua??

You have apoint, it has nothing to do with it at all. However, that scripture is talking about creating an idol to worship. ITs about creating a wooden statue and covering it with precious metal. ITs not a Christmas tree. AS long as people dont worship a Christmas tree its not the same thing.

 

[Lord's Servant]

Christmas trees came from Germany not Babylon

 

[W2L]

Christmas trees came from Germany not Babylon

Where did Germany get the tradition?

 

[Lord's Servant]

Martin Luther

 

[Albion]

Huh? Are you seriously suggesting the devil has not been trying to corrupt Christianity from day one?.

No. I was addressing the content of that particular video and the claim that Christian holidays have a pagan origin.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Do we look to pagan holidays for Truth? God forbid. Some folks would love for pagan holidays to replace Christian observances -..... Easter is observed as HIS day. Christmas is observed as HIS day.

Did you miss all the posts on this forum for years, showing that is exactly what happened ?
God forbid?
It happened - centuries ago they looked to pagan holidays (NOT FOR TRUTH)
and used them to REPLACE BIBLICAL instructions (always! when pagan holidays were observed/ used) .
Easter and Christmas originated from pagan holidays - NOT IN SCRIPTURE. They were adapted, as noted above and throughout the forum and throughout history,
to be used INSTEAD OF following God's Word.

 

[Lord's Servant]

Huh? Are you seriously suggesting the devil has not been trying to corrupt Christianity from day one?
That's what I referred to as your being far fetched for not believing.

Yes the devil has been doing this since day one by corrupting doctrine and by forming heresies like the edonites,cathars, Paulicans,worldwide church of God,Michael Rood,Ellen white and Hebrew roots movement

 

[ViaCrucis]

Christmas isnt the Lords birthday anyway.

That's not the point. Christmas has never been celebrated as Jesus' birthday, it is the liturgical celebration of His birth. That's significantly different. The Church Year begins and ends with Advent, a double observance that recalls the expectation of Christ's first coming that points us to His birth which is celebrated on Christmas; it also points us toward His future coming in glory. So the Year begins with Advent, a period of four Sundays until Christmas as we spend our time remembering and recalling Israel's great anticipation and expectation of the coming of the Messiah; Christmas includes the Feast of the Nativity and lasts for a season of twelve days; then Epiphany which recalls Jesus' baptism in the River Jordan; which takes us into the season of Lent which begins forty days (sans Sundays) before Easter which remembers Jesus forty days in the wilderness; the final week of Lent is also known as Holy Week which begins on Palm Sunday and includes Maundy Thursday, Good Friday, and Holy Saturday which covers Jesus' final week leading up to His crucifixion; the season of Easter or Pascha begins on Easter Sunday which is the joyous celebration of Christ's victory over death by His resurrection; the Paschal season continues for another fifty days until we reach Pentecost which remembers the pouring out of the Holy Spirit and the sending of the Apostles out into the world to preach the Gospel; that finally leads us to Ordinary Time, named as such because it counts the Sundays after Pentecost and which eventually brings us back to Advent as we look forward as the Church to the day when the Lord returns and God makes all things new.

Christmas, here, makes sense because it's part of the entire Year. It's not Jesus' birthday, it's the liturgical celebration of His birth. It's when we, as the Church, focus our energy and worship to remembering that part of God's redemptive story. The thing about the Church Year is that it brings the whole year into focus about Jesus, every part of the Year is centered on Jesus, it's centered on the Gospel, it's centered on what God has done for us. In this way the Church honors and celebrates Jesus all year long and holds even time itself as a servant to glory of the Gospel.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Did you miss all the posts on this forum for years, showing that is exactly what happened ?
God forbid?
It happened - centuries ago they looked to pagan holidays (NOT FOR TRUTH)
and used them to REPLACE BIBLICAL instructions (always! when pagan holidays were observed/ used) .
Easter and Christmas originated from pagan holidays - NOT IN SCRIPTURE. They were adapted, as noted above and throughout the forum and throughout history,
to be used INSTEAD OF following God's Word.

It's unfortunate that your claims aren't backed by historical evidence, scholarship, or facts. Otherwise you might have something resembling a case. But you don't.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Regarding Santa having the attributes of God (white hair and beard, says ho, ho, is omnipresent and omniscient, judges who is good or bad, etc) not being detrimental to kids, consider this perspective.

One of the first (if not the first) thing a child "idolizes" is Santa... to an almost fanatic level... but hey, they are kids, let them have their fantasy, right? What happens when that child grows up, realizes that the premise of Santa was a lie, and now they are starting to get better acquainted with God...they read and hear how He has the same attributes as Santa had and realize, (subconsciously for most) that this turned out to be a lie the first time. Is it any wonder kids lose interest in God? Obviously, not all are affected the same way but no one can deny the danger of not only lying to your kids (teaches them that lies are ok if mom and dad did it) but also of compromising the effect of the HS on them throughout their life.

 

[ViaCrucis]

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[Lord's Servant]

But not all parents do the Santa thing just some you're using fallacy of composition

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

As opposed to the Adventist's fanatical devotion to the false prophet Ellen White.

-CryptoLutheran

So, are you saying that
The sin of devotion to ellen white for anyone who sins thus,
EXCUSES the sin of those who follow isht*r ...

Will everyone be happy now ?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The Church Year begins and ends with Advent...
-CryptoLutheran

Really? What church is that? The Church civil year is in the spring and the liturgical year begins in the fall (September)...always has, always will...maybe you follow the church of Rome's calendar?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Really? What church is that? The Church civil year is in the spring and the liturgical year begins in the fall (September)...always has, always will...maybe you follow the church of Rome's calendar?

I should have pointed out that I was referring to the Western Liturgical Calendar, the Eastern Liturgical Calendar differs in certain respects, yes.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

So, are you saying that
The sin of devotion to ellen white for anyone who sins thus,
EXCUSES the sin of those who follow isht*r ...

Will everyone be happy now ?

There's no relationship between Easter and Ishtar, that's Hislopian bunkum.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Lord's Servant]

So, are you saying that
The sin of devotion to ellen white for anyone who sins thus,
EXCUSES the sin of those who follow isht*r ...

Will everyone be happy now ?

Do you have any sources like encyclopedias,peer review papers,professors or primary sources to support this claim of yours?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

This is all for now - it was a done deal as far as any Christians I knew a while back - no argument about it !

1. What are our obligations as christians for Easter?
   Easter = Ishtar. Pesach = Passover.
   Post by: Hieronymus, Mar 24, 2016 in forum: General Theology
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   Truth or tradition/pagan holidays
   There's no relationship between Easter and Ishtar, that's Hislopian bunkum. -CryptoLutheran
   Post by: ViaCrucis, 7 minutes ago in forum: General Theology
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   Should a Christian Celebrate Easter or Christmas?
   ...they should absolutely NOT observe the heathen feasts of Easter(Ishtar) and Christmas There is nothing biblical about the pagan feasts of...
   Post by: Dkh587, Mar 28, 2016 in forum: General Theology
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   Should a Christian Celebrate Easter or Christmas?
   Nothing you've mentioned has any basis in fact. One won't uncover any of this through research, unless by "research" is meant unsourced and...
   Post by: ViaCrucis, Mar 26, 2016 in forum: General Theology
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   Should a Christian Celebrate Easter or Christmas?
   "Easter" is taken from the name Ishtar who was the pagan goddess of fertility...it really takes very little research to discover that...research...
   Post by: SpiritPsalmist, Mar 26, 2016 in forum: General Theology
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   Why do some Christians not participate in Lent?
   ...and like my most Catholic traditions it's paganism that has been christianized. Ash Wednesday, Lent, Ishtar(Easter), all christianized paganism.
   Post by: FerventDisciple, Mar 20, 2015 in forum: General Theology