Tools far pre date man, evolution theory kicked in face

[davedajobauk]

I grasp that so called science espouses beliefs and that your choice is to accept those over Scripture. Correct?
You could have said that in Jesus' day. Yet He affirmed Moses and the prophests and the record we have! Gong!

Jesus wasn't around when modern bibles were printed
No need to be 'sarcastic'

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Your claim of a same state past both has no meaning and no proof, and it opposes Christ to boot
since He affirmed the scripture we have!

I make no claims as to 'multiple states' (of time, it's others that are 'stuck' in a 6,000 year old Earth
As for the scriptures; as you know they were 'picked-over' and EDITED, with books, chapters and verses
deliberately omitted by men
Which Bible 'version-of' did Jesus recommend, can you tell us ?

Man made the tools. Obviously.
The backtracking pussyfooting around that die hard evolutionists do to try to redeem the fallen dates is hilarious.

There we go, be it ever so small steps that we make.... we are 'getting-there' [consensus)

Adam had probably scads of grandkids and kids all of whom had babies actually.
It was not just Adam and Eve making kids for centuries.
When they inbred in Adam's day is was fine.

But did you see this with your own eyes ?
Don't worry about it .... all mere men are fallible

 

[dad]

Was that before or after Adam and Eve got banned from playing in the garden ?

I assume way after. Even the Cambrian was after probably.

 

[dad]

Jesus wasn't around when modern bibles were printed
No need to be 'sarcastic'

He is around now and always was. He promised He would assure that His word was recorded right.

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I make no claims as to 'multiple states' (of time, it's others that are 'stuck' in a 6,000 year old Earth
As for the scriptures; as you know they were 'picked-over' and EDITED, with books, chapters and verses
deliberately omitted by men
Which Bible 'version-of' did Jesus recommend, can you tell us ?

Which version was Isaiah written or the writings of Moses in His day? Which versions exist that translate His words now? Have you some translation somewhere of some verse that is problematic, or are you raising a fuss for nothing?

But did you see this with your own eyes ?
Don't worry about it .... all mere men are fallible

No need to see all the folks recorded in the genealogy of Scripture to accept that they were real.

 

[davedajobauk]

He is around now and always was. He promised He would assure that His word was recorded right.

.Which version was Isaiah written or the writings of Moses in His day?
Which versions exist that translate His words now?
Have you some translation somewhere of some verse that is problematic, or are you raising a fuss for nothing?

I am not the kind of person that 'must' make "a fuss"
I just like CLEAN EDGES
Not for nothing were chapters and verses omitted from the original scriptures
Maybe someone presumed, that we shouldn't read those also

While I am a believer; in allowing text to 'speak' to me, through the spirit [reliable gist)
I have learned, that too-much literal reading, can pass, an entirely alternate-understanding, to readers
For words aligned and collated 'back-then' were certainly better understood
and conveyed their inherent stories (meanings) so-much better (back then)

Okay, so I have gathered and do acknowledge, your intent, to deny everything
~back before the garden before which [you maintain] 'man did not exist'
and, neither did the majority (99.9%) of the dinosaurs [by then, extinct]

That, just leaves us to determine and have established 'as fact'
>>The Timing of Mankind's 'arrival' in the world (on Earth) <<

 

[dad]

I am not the kind of person that 'must' make "a fuss"
I just like CLEAN EDGES

Long as that doesn't mean shaving off God's word all around!

Not for nothing were chapters and verses omitted from the original scriptures
Maybe someone presumed, that we shouldn't read those also

Hey God is real, no? He watched over the bible getting to us no? What man could mess with that? None.

While I am a believer; in allowing text to 'speak' to me, through the spirit [reliable gist)
I have learned, that too-much literal reading, can pass, an entirely alternate-understanding, to readers
For words aligned and collated 'back-then' were certainly better understood
and conveyed their inherent stories (meanings) so-much better (back then)

One requires an alternate understanding to bible opposing so called science.

Okay, so I have gathered and do acknowledge, your intent, to deny everything
~back before the garden before which [you maintain] 'man did not exist'
and, neither did the majority (99.9%) of the dinosaurs [by then, extinct]

Dinos went extinct long after Eden. Eden would be at the beginning of the geo record.

That, just leaves us to determine and have established 'as fact'
>>The Timing of Mankind's 'arrival' in the world (on Earth) <<

The fact is man was here within days of the planet being made. Now if you mean the time when man's remains started to be left, well then that would be present state!

 

[davedajobauk]

Dinos went extinct long after Eden.
Eden would be at the beginning of the geo record.
The fact is man was here within days of the planet being made.
Now if you mean the time when man's remains started to be left, well then that would be present state!

So, Dinos were around (you say)
~all the while Adam and his offspring were populating the world with mankind
and yet strangely
the Bible doesn't mention humungous plant-eaters and meat-eating carnivores
The only beasts we hear of, are that cave of lions, Daniel encountered

Nah, I am going to need some-convincing
that your Ever-Right Timex, is a good time-keeper

 

[dad]

So, Dinos were around (you say)
~all the while Adam and his offspring were populating the world with mankind
and yet strangely
the Bible doesn't mention humungous plant-eaters and meat-eating carnivores
The only beasts we hear of, are that cave of lions, Daniel encountered

Actually the bible mentions giants in the land. I wonder if that could have mean dinosaurs? Job mentions huge creatures that many feel were either dinosaurs, or some creatures no longer here. I do not know if dinosaurs were created kind creatures either. It is possible as far as I can see that with the lightning fast evolving of the former nature, we could have seen something like some birds or reptiles rapidly adapt and change and grow into what we call dinosaurs? Basically we do not know. That might explain why no dinosaurs were on the ark...if they were not the created kinds, because the original created kind would be what God called onto the ark!

 

[davedajobauk]

Actually the bible mentions giants in the land. I wonder if that could have mean dinosaurs? Job mentions huge creatures that many feel were either dinosaurs, or some creatures no longer here. I do not know if dinosaurs were created kind creatures either. It is possible as far as I can see that with the lightning fast evolving of the former nature, we could have seen something like some birds or reptiles rapidly adapt and change and grow into what we call dinosaurs? Basically we do not know. That might explain why no dinosaurs were on the ark...if they were not the created kinds, because the original created kind would be what God called onto the ark!

I think that would have been 'Goliath' (or, his kinfolk) don't you
Brachiosaurs and Diplodoccus would have needed an ark each
So, I can affirm, my belief, that these did not enter the ark 'two by two'



Yup dinosaurs were gone for so-long, that the folks that wrote the scriptures
were certainly not, familiar with them ....

 

[dad]

I think that would have been 'Goliath' (or, his kinfolk) don't you

Of course Goliath was long after the flood not before. The giants mentioned were before the flood.

Brachiosaurs and Diplodoccus would have needed an ark each
So, I can affirm, my belief, that these did not enter the ark 'two by two'

I suspect that they were extinct by the flood and that, if any were not, they would not get an invite since they may not have been original kinds.

Yup dinosaurs were gone for so-long, that the folks that wrote the scriptures
were certainly not, familiar with them ....

As mentioned in Job, it may refer to them. The giants in Genesis might also. Dinos are possibly an adaptation of created kinds like birds that came and in the pre flood days. Not hard to explain at all.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Actually the bible mentions giants in the land. I wonder if that could have mean dinosaurs? Job mentions huge creatures that many feel were either dinosaurs, or some creatures no longer here. I do not know if dinosaurs were created kind creatures either. It is possible as far as I can see that with the lightning fast evolving of the former nature, we could have seen something like some birds or reptiles rapidly adapt and change and grow into what we call dinosaurs? Basically we do not know. That might explain why no dinosaurs were on the ark...if they were not the created kinds, because the original created kind would be what God called onto the ark!

In your idea of lightning fast evolution, how many generations would it take for zebras to evolve from ordinary equines?

 

[dad]

In your idea of lightning fast evolution, how many generations would it take for zebras to evolve from ordinary equines?

None. Maybe the walking zebra adapted and evolved in weeks or months?!

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

None. Maybe the walking zebra adapted and evolved in weeks or months?!

Ah. Thanks for the reply.

 

[davedajobauk]

Of course Goliath was long after the flood not before. The giants mentioned were before the flood.
I suspect that they were extinct by the flood and that, if any were not, they would not get an invite since they may not have been original kinds.


As mentioned in Job, it may refer to them. The giants in Genesis might also. Dinos are possibly an adaptation of created kinds like birds that came and in the pre flood days. Not hard to explain at all.

Chronology differences (tch tch)
4,000 years old Amber necklaces, (handworked) Before or after the flood (?)

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other...-wilsford-henge/vi-AAdr29S?ocid=mailsignoutmd

 

[dad]

Chronology differences (tch tch)
4,000 years old Amber necklaces, (handworked) Before or after the flood (?)

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other...-wilsford-henge/vi-AAdr29S?ocid=mailsignoutmd

After. Unless they were a gift made before the flood, that was handed down that someone ended up with.

 

[davedajobauk]

LOL

How you still don't get it (or, maybe you do but won't openly admit it)

Mind you, I am not saying
that The Creator, did not plan AND CREATE ... EVERYTHING
Only, that whatever stone we turn over
The Lord knew what we would find below it
AND, 'when exactly' we should find it

 

[dad]

LOL

How you still don't get it (or, maybe you do but won't openly admit it)

No idea what you are talking about. Why not post this thing you think I don't get? Who knows maybe there is something you actually don't get.

Mind you, I am not saying
that The Creator, did not plan AND CREATE ... EVERYTHING
Only, that whatever stone we turn over
The Lord knew what we would find below it
AND, 'when exactly' we should find it

I see no meaning in that. So did He create Adam or not? Did He create the world or not? Otherwise what you think you see turning over stones may be wrong.

 

[James Is Back]

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