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to be a christian and have the messiah delusion

Discussion in 'Psychosis and Schizophrenia' started by xounstaer, Dec 5, 2011.

  1. thesunisout

    thesunisout brother Supporter

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    Revelation 4:9-11

    And whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to him who is seated on the throne, who lives forever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before him who is seated on the throne and worship him who lives forever and ever. They cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

    "Worthy are you, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they existed and were created.”

    You need to lay down your Sonship and give it to the sinless one, the perfect one who is worthy of all praise. It doesn't belong to you, it belongs to Him. Lay down your crown and glory at His feet and worship Him as the elders do in Heaven.
     
  2. xounstaer

    xounstaer his qualities..

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    allright i'll be straight forward to you.

    let me go here first, your name is the sun is out. i have seen the light of the sun being out. as in the picture left to this post. also the white star has its history. and the signs i made up.

    my name is stein de moor and i reside in the psychiatry. i take antipsychotica which never has worked. and antidepressent which are working goo dfor me lately so i dare to go to the supermarket again. actually lately i found it easy. glad to not have panic attacks. and a polse rate of 180.

    besides this i believe too much in christ and elia and all of the names for the ot.

    i am well scholared by myself. and will remember what i have been tought through the power of figuring thins out myself with gods help and will remember everything about what made me. so i also listened to pauls advice to remember what has been tought as he says in timothy.

    i am a human just as every human on the face of this earth has been.

    i do not stand above anyone or below anyone. neither do i stand above god or below god.

    it hurts me to see you treating me as jesus has been treated 2000 years ago as we believe, i am sure after feeling holes in my hands and feet and many revelations.

    i belive in christs reurnal in a factual sense.

    if you want to join the crowd @ thesunisout and go the symbolic way and tell people who believe in themselves and their story though jesus and want to tell them to give up thinking/believing/finding, go ahead so..

    i mean tell me about this crown. is it in your mind. can one through its mind away? i'd be more glad with a person telling me i am allowed to think then with someone who say i must lay down my mind. which is not possible to start with.

    then besides that i do belive revalations.
    but in a factual sense, if you dont thats your choose.
    but then it makes me wonder why jesus has even been.
    if everyone can just have made the world with babble and nice words and idealistics which are made up.

    thats not hard thats easy..

    i am not asking anyone to belive im me. but you are missing all the points here.

    its ok if you tell me what to do and think that you know it all. but this is my reaction.

    hope you can understand it.

    i believe in jesus as the title says and so on. so hwo come you are taking a stand as if i am not christian?

    and besides that its ridiculous how a lot of people find themselves to believe in jesus. but denie me.

    :bow:
     
  3. thesunisout

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    To follow Christ you have to lay down your entire life, your very being, at His feet. That includes your mind. That is why Paul said:

    Galatians 2:20

    I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

    You need to count all of it as a loss to gain Christ. That's why Paul said this:

    Phillippians 3:8

    What is more, I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ

    You need to consider whatever you have gained from believing you are the Messiah as rubbish to gain Christ. You need a personal relationship with your Lord and Savior, the very Creator of the Universe. You are saying to Christ, "I would rather pretend I am you than actually know you". That is heartbreaking.

    You didn't die on that cross, Christ did. The reason you feel crucified is because of what Paul said in Galatians 2:20. When we become Christian we are crucified with Christ.

    Before I was a Christian I had many powerful signs, like your sun sign. I can tell you from experience that anything which leads you away from being a follower of Jesus Christ is from Satan. You can't believe every supernatural thing that happens to you. And you can't make connections between everything that comes into your mind.

    A Christian is someone who follows Christ. You desire the knowledge/power/worship that Christ has, which is why you can't let go of being the Messiah. It's not yours, it belongs to God. You need to give it up. You said you aren't above or below God. You are only half-right. You are far below God, as every other human being is. No one is like God, and no one is equal to God.

    You need to let go of what you've figured out and trust Jesus Christ. You are spiritually poor until you are rich in Him.
     
  4. xounstaer

    xounstaer his qualities..

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    but you are forgetting that i am christian allready.

    why do you doubt me when i say i have felt holes in my hands and feet and sometimes still do.

    i am willing to listen for sure.

    but you're acting like as if you have to make me belive in jesus, i dont know how they call that i n english, ow i do; convert.

    but i allready am converted.

    it makes me sad everytime to meet people who think they believe in jesus more or better then me.

    have i told you about the holes?

    what is it i must say to make you see?

    i willl listen...

    but you dont.

    salut
     
  5. thesunisout

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    I believe you believe in Jesus..but do you know Him personally? My point is that as long as you believe that you are the Messiah, you are replacing Jesus with yourself. You can't know Jesus when you think you are Jesus. To know Jesus you have to give up being Jesus. I'm not saying you don't believe in everything Christian..I am saying that you can't know Jesus and be Jesus at the same time. You have to give it up to know Him.
     
  6. xounstaer

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    You're also saying you're the Messiah and Jesus is the Messiah. You can't have a personal relationship with Jesus if you are taking His place as the Messiah. What I am telling you is that until you give up being the Messiah, it is impossible for you to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. You have to decide what is more important to you..the delusion of being the Messiah, which you know in your heart that you are not, or having an intimate personal relationship with Jesus Christ. You can't have both. You must choose.
     
  8. xounstaer

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    whay are you calling me a liar first of all, because that is what you do in other words.
    and besides that i bet you are one of the people who wish to let all the prophecies be fullfilled in a symbolic way, not?

    i mean you read your bible and so. but have you even listenned to the words that jesus would return?

    let me guess yes you did. and you want it to be your way?

    if you keep on thinkin gtha ti do not have a personal relation whith jesus and you keep putting me down bad. thats your choose. but if you want to help as a christian should, then you are busy wrong.

    you are breaking me down with your words of blasphemy against me.

    did you still not understand the topictitel? or are you just wanting to act as people did towards jesus and john 2000 years ago?

    maybe you want history repeated?

    and i promise you i have a more personal relation with jesus then you do. i can tell by how you treat me.

    i have to defend myself agaisnt your words. and you do not hear me when i say i am christian.

    i doubt if you even know the treu meaning of being baptised.
    and then baptising with fire is probably something you wonder about?
    never mind but i do not like it, when people tell me that i dont believe or so. or that they think they are better with jesus or know better.

    really sad.

    i'll turn my cheek the next time ok.
     
  9. thesunisout

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    I don't think you're understanding what I have been saying. There is only one Messiah. You cannot know Him and claim to be Him at the same time. If you say you are Him, then you don't know Him. If you knew Him, you wouldn't believe you are the Messiah. It's as simple as that. You have to choose what is more important to you; your messiah delusion, or a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. You can't have both.
     
  10. xounstaer

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    i allready have both. and that you dont understand or cannot
     
  11. thesunisout

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    You cannot have both. The fact that you believe you are the Messiah proves you don't know Him. If you knew Him, you would never believe you are the Messiah.
     
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    the first will be last and the last shall be first. i want to introduce you to the word servant.
    the world does not revolve around any single person. everything revolves around God The Father, The only begotten Son Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit. you and everyone around you has different gifts to add to The Kingdom of Jesus Christ. you are important and so is every other person important to make up The body of Christ. hope this helps. your friend in prayer, Chris
     
  13. xounstaer

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    thanks thats usefull, i am aware of it.

    together we all are. but i do still am free to believe in jesus and me at the same time. ofcourse theres a whole world but with me jesus and god too i am allright. i know theres other people.

    i may seem foolish but i know lots of theries onhow it all fits togeter. it not like am not a believer in jesus or some like that. but yes my name is stein and not jesus.

    but wether that makes a huge difference to me is another question. just because i am alive in persen fysically doenst mean i am not allowed to have my own believe with jesus and myself and the experiences form above and all over in that.

    its not rightious te treat me such way. i am not the one who is behind at first sight. maybe after denieng me you wont see me again, caring so much perhaphs.

    yes i do pray and think a lot. too much that i get sick of it.
    i am not telling anything which you dont or couldnt have known i might tell you again.

    but hey i know god knows me and jesus too ands moses etcetera...

    to bad there is not many living souls who....

    or pardon me it is too bad i have to defend myself so now and then against people acusing me of not believing or such.

    i cant not even not hang on.

    and yet some people treat me such bad way with simple words in which they tell me i lie and dont believe in jesus.

    besides reading hearing and seeing and living it seems something else doesnt work either fot those people when it comes to me and they go tell me i lie and such.

    ow yeah think some cant either. i mean how can i not believe in jesus. have those not heard my word or lsitenned to what the topic is about here.
     
  14. Noxot

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    it is common knowledge that if you are married to Christ, that you are also one with Him. if you are one then you also are a son of God. if you are a son of God and like Christ, then it must be we are Like christ is, since we are. that is logical. now that means we also are messiahs. just as paul, and peter are.

    that is not hard to understand. and I guess people will think its bad when i say "i'm a god" or I'm a king" or "i'm a lord" but the truth is, that I am all those things if I am married to Christ.

    follower of Christ are like he is. Go ahead and prove me wrong. no one here believes that we think we are better and above Christ, we are his WIFE. and we know because all we really want, is to be with God.

    but I know that no one is really attacking anyone, there is just some misunderstandings going on is all.
     
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    so is anyone still thinkin gof this and its possible reality, or should ik keep more silent and hide it under the table?
     
  16. thesunisout

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    What you need to realize is the dichotomy between knowing Jesus and thinking you are Jesus. You can't be on both sides of this fence at once. If you believe you are Him, you don't know Him. If you know Him, you wouldn't believe you are Him. In no situation can you believe you are Him and know Him at the same time.
     
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    well i am not thinking i am jesus christ. i am stein de moor, but if i am registered with this exact name i am not sure..

    i do know the world enough and have seen and witnessed enough to. its time for me to begin living and being free now i am 27.

    i brush my teeth daily and all which is for the first time ever since i remember. i am doing so now since a year about.

    my room is neat, this whole household here is neat!

    i just must find a better way of dining, but they are on that. i am sposed to get a budget for food soon.

    what fence are you talking about, since we have a fence here too. a little one.

    besides that i think one should really catch up upon words used within the bible. and the meaning of a cave.

    and i hop ei am say this; i am glad the way all thing went the past half a year. i still live.

    but if you want to understand it fully inside and outside, i think you are on the worng side of fence @thesunisout.

    the sun has been out, i did see that in fact..

    i say again; glad i live still.

    x
     
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    The fence of your messiah delusion. Jesus Christ is the Messiah, not you. That's the entire point.
     
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    why dont you read over what jesus has to say about it/me?
     
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    Matthew 24:24-27

    For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect

    Behold, I have told you before.

    Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

    For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    You are a false christ, one of many in the world right now, which is a sign of the last days.

    You have said before that you enjoy being the Messiah, which is why you are deluded. You would rather have the enjoyment and excitement of believing you are the Messiah than to know the true and living God, Jesus Christ. You have exchanged the truth for a lie to gratify yourself. Until you decide its more important to know the real Messiah and do His will, you will remain in your delusion
     
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