The whole of the NT explains how salvation is obtained

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Scripture explains how man attains salvation, and it also
reconciles all of the supposed contradictions concerning salvation …

First, all humans are born with an inherited sin nature (a “fallen” nature),
e.g. Jesus actually told His disciples that they were “evil”.

The normal human being is incapable of believing the gospel (good news)
of Jesus Christ because the Truth of it is hidden from him … man is:
spiritually blind and deaf, spiritually dead, a slave to sin, forced to obey evil,
a captive to the law of sin and death, unable to be saved through good works,
deceived and blinded by Satan, a captive of Satan unto death, etc.
The gospel of Jesus Christ is “foolishness” to all those perishing (going to hell).
They do not choose this, but are just incapable of believing the foolish gospel.


God’s grace (unmerited favor) toward the mass of fallen humanity is 3-fold:
• that ANY human could ever be received into heaven by a most Holy God
• that SOME humans are given the ability to believe the saving gospel
• that sincere repentance can usually result in the forgiveness of sins


God must give a seed of faith to man to enable him to believe the foolish gospel.
This is not a one-time event, but the Greek tense indicates a continuing belief.
That only some are chosen is consistent with God’s preference, for example:

“I dwell in the high and holy place with him who has a contrite and humble spirit”.
The question is: How-when-why did certain people obtain this type of spirit?

(*A*) Along with truly believing the saving Truth of the gospel with his heart,
man receives the Holy Spirit within, and is born-again with a new nature.
After receiving this free gift (a revelation of the Truth), the believer will begin
to be taught deeper spiritual Truths by the precious Holy Spirit who dwells within.
Man is no longer a slave to sin; he no longer has to sin; he can choose not to sin.
He can present himself as a slave of obedience unto righteousness for holiness,
or he can choose to present himself as a slave of sin unto eternal death.


One critical spiritual Truth is that disobedience to God is actually proof of unbelief.
In the OT, the Israelites did not enter God’s rest because of disobedience (unbelief).
God left them scattered all over the desert floor; and this was a warning for everyone!
Born-again believers have much less of an excuse for failure … see (*A*) above.
So, here Scripture gives another negative response to the question of
whether or not easy-believism and easy-grace are enough for salvation.


The main reason for God giving man free will is to test his love, faithfulness,
obedience, etc. to God his Creator. Yes, Jesus became the author of eternal
salvation to all who obey Him … and this obedience does not refer to believing
in Him and His gospel after having received the precious free gift of saving faith.
No, Jesus said that if you love Him (for His sacrifice, etc.), you will obey Him.
The practicing of righteousness is proof that one stands righteous before God.


After receiving the saving Truth, the believer can always make the disastrous
free-will choice of not continuing on with his faith. Many Scripture passages
warn that enduring in the faith until death is absolutely necessary for salvation.
You must not fall away from the faith when the terrible persecution of Christians
comes upon you, and you must not take the mark of the beast of the antichrist.


It’s all about unbelief … and the NT describes exactly what unbelief is. An evil
heart of unbelief is displayed by one who departs from the faith, and this is
often connected to one having been hardened by the deceitfulness of sin.

After receiving the saving Truth, the believer can always make the free-will choice
to be disobedient and return to their old lifestyle of habitual unrepentant sinning.


Several lists of sins, which many people (including believers) commit habitually,
apply to absolutely everyone with regard to being disqualified from entering
the kingdom of God/heaven (which is somewhat analogous to heaven itself).


If you wish to see Scriptures for any of the points above, please just ask.
 
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Let us take heed to the Lord's admonition of how to handle our sin ...

“Let us come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need … If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness … My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.”
(Hebrews 4:16, 1 John 1:9-2:1)
 
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Why didn't you mention baptism? Baptism is talked about all through the New Testament in regard to salvation. In fact, every person that the Bible says got saved was baptized in the name of Jesus.
Thanks for your reply.
The most interesting thing I've seen about H2O baptism is this ...
Paul said he didn't come to baptize anyone, but to preach the gospel.
And there are examples of people who were saved w/o H2O baptism,
such as the thief on the cross.
 
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Thanks for your reply.
The most interesting thing I've seen about H2O baptism is this ...
Paul said he didn't come to baptize anyone, but to preach the gospel.
And there are examples of people who were saved w/o H2O baptism,
such as the thief on the cross.
Paul water baptized some people and the reason he said he was happy not to have personally baptized more people in Corinth was because they were using "who" baptized them as a way of dividing the church into groups. Jesus did not water baptize people but his disciples did seemingly for a similar reason "people would have thought of themselves as being better if they had been baptized by Christ himself.

The thief on the cross comes before Christian baptism was available and we do not know if he was water baptized by John's baptism.
 
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Paul never said that baptism wasn't needed for salvation, he only said that he was called to preach the gospel.
The Bible doesn't say if Jesus baptized anybody or not, but it does say that He commanded it to be done (Matthew 28:19 and Mark 16:16).


The thief on the cross was under the Law when he died and went to Abraham's bosom ( paradise) like all the other covenant people. There was no salvation yet and no need to be baptized to obtain it.

There wasn't ANYBODY saved in the New Testament that wasn't baptized in water.

Blessings,

Alan

(Don't know what happened to my text, it just got darker)
 
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Paul never said that baptism wasn't needed for salvation, he only said that he was called to preach the gospel.
The Bible doesn't say if Jesus baptized anybody or not, but it does say that He commanded it to be done (Matthew 28:19 and Mark 16:16).


The thief on the cross was under the Law when he died and went to Abraham's bosom ( paradise) like all the other covenant people. There was no salvation yet and no need to be baptized to obtain it.

There wasn't ANYBODY saved in the New Testament that wasn't baptized in water.

Blessings,

Alan

(Don't know what happened to my text, it just got darker)
John 4: Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John 2 although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples.
 
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Not if the OP is in error.
And it would appear that the OP is promoting the idea that those who are saved by grace can lose their salvation. Well that is definitely not the meaning of the gift of eternal life.

The point about water baptism (NOT H20 baptism since we are not dealing with chemistry) is that it is a clear command by the Lord Jesus Christ. Every believer in the NT was baptized either the same day or immediately after salvation, which tells us that water baptism was taken very seriously (not for being saved, but for obedience after salvation).

As to Paul saying that he was sent to preach the Gospel and not ot baptize, that certainly did not negate water baptism. See Acts 16:33, where it was either Paul himself, or both Paul and Silas, who baptized an entire household.

Why people continue to distort Bible truth is beyond me. Why is it so difficult to accept the entire teaching of the New Testament?
 
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Why people continue to distort Bible truth is beyond me.
Why is it so difficult to accept the entire teaching of the New Testament?
Some things are just not so easily resolved.
IMO, direct spiritual revelation from God is necessary to "see" some of the spiritual Truths.
Being born-again with the indwelling Holy Spirit is just not enough some times.
Mainly because true believers have been deceived with false doctrines which blind them.
Scripture + the Holy Spirit must somehow override the power of these false doctrines.

As to water baptism ...
The 120 received the Holy Spirit INSIDE them and UPON them,
so they were as saved and born-again as anyone ever has been!!!

Oh, almost forgot, they weren't water baptized until many hours later.
Seems el Pietro forgot all about Jesus' instructions ... 'til later anyway.
As I've said before, he had no idea what had just happened.
Except when he spoke of the promise and the gift,
he was speaking about the baptism with the Holy Spirit,
the proof of receiving this being the tongues spoken by the 120.
He understood nothing about receiving Him INSIDE.
Butski, the UPON (with the tongues) was blatantly obvious.
 
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People in the Old Testament had the Holy Spirit come upon them but that didn't give them salvation.

During baptism (in the name of Jesus, aka calling on the name of the Lord) the Holy Spirit joins you to Christ and you become one flesh with Him. This is what saves you.

Romans 10:13 American Standard Version (ASV)
13 for, Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Blessings,

Alan
 
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People in the Old Testament had the Holy Spirit come upon them
but that didn't give them salvation.
You are absolutely correct ... the coming UPON was/is to provide God's special anointing.
Absolutely nothing to do with salvation ... either in the OT or in the NT.
In the NT, the UPON has to do with receiving the baptism with the Holy Spirit,
which you know nothing about.
 
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Can you please explain the Baptism of the Holy Spirit to me so I can better understand the intent of your remark?
Yes, the baptism with the Holy Spirit has absolutely nothing to do with one
initially receiving the Spirit within (what they call the born-again experience),
which is receiving the Spirit INSIDE (as revealed in at least 7 NT passages).

This baptism is a special anointing given by Jesus Himself (according to all 4 gospels).
It is for spiritual power, etc. for some kind of ministry.
This is receiving the Spirit UPON (as revealed in exactly 7 NT passages).
The confirmation of receiving it is speaking at least a few words in tongues.

Naturally, this is not what your church organization teaches.
Dese peoples do not have it, so dey don't teach it, even if dey happen to believe it.
Get out of these false organizations, and start an honest Truth-seeking home church.
This will be happening SOON enough ... might just as well get a head start.
 
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