the beast with seven heads and ten horns

[Douggg]

Like I said, The prophetic scriptures aren't about the Jews or the nation of Israel, they're about modern-day America, symbolized as that of BABYLON THE GREAT in Revelation. And they're about the falling away (apostasy) of the modern-day white Americans, and the exaltation of the black man (black race) upon America.

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Please explain how the above verse has anything to do with America?

 

[fcorman]

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Please explain how the above verse has anything to do with America?

There's not a nation on this earth, including America, that's responsible for everybody that's been slain upon the earth, therefore the verse means,

"In her (in America) was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that were slain upon America's earth."

 

[Douggg]

There's not a nation on this earth, including America, that's responsible for everybody that's been slain upon the earth, therefore the verse means,

"In her (in America) was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that were slain upon America's earth."

You did good until the "therefore". Babylon is fallen is fallen. It is talking about the principality of Satan and his angels being cast down to earth right after the mid-point of the seven years.

Rome, over the long haul is the city referred to in Revelation 18, but is not over all Mystery Babylon the great. As neither is the RCC and the Vatican. The Vatican and the RCC is the great harlot, however. And the Vatican will be burned to the ground as judgment. It is likely that Rome will be destroyed in the process.

Under the principality of Satan, are all the prophets and them slain upon the earth, including the crucifixion of Jesus.

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

 

[fcorman]

You did good until the "therefore". Babylon is fallen is fallen. It is talking about the principality of Satan and his angels being cast down to earth right after the mid-point of the seven years.

Rome, over the long haul is the city referred to in Revelation 18, but is not over all Mystery Babylon the great. As neither is the RCC and the Vatican. The Vatican and the RCC is the great harlot, however. And the Vatican will be burned to the ground as judgment. It is likely that Rome will be destroyed in the process.

Under the principality of Satan, are all the prophets and them slain upon the earth, including the crucifixion of Jesus.

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

>>>The Vatican and the RCC is the great harlot, however. And the Vatican will be burned to the ground as judgment.<<<

I asked this of ShedSinforChrist, but he has yet to get back with me. So, I'll ask it of you.
Would you please copy the verse below for me, with your interpretation of the words I've underlined?

"And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her naked and desolate, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire." (Rev.17:16)

 

[Douggg]

>>>The Vatican and the RCC is the great harlot, however. And the Vatican will be burned to the ground as judgment.<<<

I asked this of ShedSinforChrist, but he has yet to get back with me. So, I'll ask it of you.
Would you please copy the verse below for me, with your interpretation of the words I've underlined?

"And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her naked and desolate, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire." (Rev.17:16)

The ten horns are ten kings (leaders), that when the Antichrist will have recovered from being mortally wounded (the seventh head of the seven heads on the beast) and come back to life - possessed by the unclean spirit of the beast ascending from the bottomless pit - as the eighth king (Revelation 17:11) - will pledge allegiance to him.

The ten horns originally in Daniel 7 will be the leaders of the final version of the EU. The little horn (the Antichrist in the early stages of his career) will first emerges among them, and remove and replace three of them - to get the number back to ten.

Those ten kings stick with the Antichrist from inception to end.

When the Antichrist is killed and comes back to life, possessed by the unclean spirit of Nimrod (presumed), the ten kings will give total allegiance to the Antichrist-beast who will be believed to be God.

Coming out of a Europe culture, the ten kings will have been accustomed to the historic influence that the Vatican has had on European politics.

When the Antichrist makes his claim of being God and being believed by them as such by the strong delusion of his coming back alive, the Vatican which is holds that Jesus is God - is in direct conflict with the Antichrist-beast's agenda. Not willing to capitulate, the Vatican will be eliminated, also because of the hundreds of years of resentment by the politicians in Europe of having to cater to the Vatican out of political necessity.

The politicians have been in bed with the harlot, because it benefited them. The part they don't like is paying the price for her services.

 

[fcorman]

The ten horns are ten kings (leaders), that when the Antichrist will have recovered from being mortally wounded (the seventh head of the seven heads on the beast) and come back to life - possessed by the unclean spirit of the beast ascending from the bottomless pit - as the eighth king (Revelation 17:11) - will pledge allegiance to him.

The ten horns originally in Daniel 7 will be the leaders of the final version of the EU. The little horn (the Antichrist in the early stages of his career) will first emerges among them, and remove and replace three of them - to get the number back to ten.

Those ten kings stick with the Antichrist from inception to end.

When the Antichrist is killed and comes back to life, possessed by the unclean spirit of Nimrod (presumed), the ten kings will give total allegiance to the Antichrist-beast who will be believed to be God.

Coming out of a Europe culture, the ten kings will have been accustomed to the historic influence that the Vatican has had on European politics.

When the Antichrist makes his claim of being God and being believed by them as such by the strong delusion of his coming back alive, the Vatican which is holds that Jesus is God - is in direct conflict with the Antichrist-beast's agenda. Not willing to capitulate, the Vatican will be eliminated, also because of the hundreds of years of resentment by the politicians in Europe of having to cater to the Vatican out of political necessity.

The politicians have been in bed with the harlot, because it benefited them. The part they don't like is paying the price for her services.

Could you please just copy the verse I posted, with your interpretation of the parts I underlined? Thanks

 

[Douggg]

Could you please just copy the verse I posted, with your interpretation of the parts I underlined? Thanks

It was in the quote of your text. I don't understand what what you want.

"And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her naked and desolate, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire." (Rev.17:16)

the ten horns - are ten end times kings (leaders) of Europe, the end times roman empire, the fourth kingdom, who the Antichrist will emerge from. And when the Antichrist claims to be God, is killed for it, then comes back alive possessed by the unclean spirit of the beast emerging from the bottomless pit to be become the Antichrist-beast, they will pledge their allegiance to him.

the harlot - is the RCC catholic church, the headquarters the Vatican residing in Rome.

the beast - in revelation 17 is Satan that the woman is riding, but is also separately the ancient individual in the bottomless pit associated with Babylon and rebellion against God. John sees Satan as the visible representation for the actual beast, the ancient person, because John cannot see into the bottomless pit. John is told by the angel about the beast in the bottomless pit.

When the beast, in spirit form, is allowed to ascend out of the bottomless pit, he does so possessing the slain and recovered Antichrist person. That will take place 42 months before Jesus returns.

In Revelation 12, John again sees Satan, the great red dragon, because Revelation 12, verses 12:6-12:17, begin the 7 years. At the beginning of the 7 years, the actual beast is still in the bottomless pit. It is not until there are 42 months left in Revelation 13, that the beast is not allowed to ascend out of the bottomless pit. In Revelation 13, John does not see Satan the representation of the beast, but the actual beast.

 

[fcorman]

It was in the quote of your text. I don't understand what what you want.

"And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her naked and desolate, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire." (Rev.17:16)

the ten horns - are ten end times kings (leaders) of Europe, the end times roman empire, the fourth kingdom, who the Antichrist will emerge from. And when the Antichrist claims to be God, is killed for it, then comes back alive possessed by the unclean spirit of the beast emerging from the bottomless pit to be become the Antichrist-beast, they will pledge their allegiance to him.

the harlot - is the RCC catholic church, the headquarters the Vatican residing in Rome.

the beast - in revelation 17 is Satan that the woman is riding, but is also separately the ancient individual in the bottomless pit associated with Babylon and rebellion against God. John sees Satan as the visible representation for the actual beast, the ancient person, because John cannot see into the bottomless pit. John is told by the angel about the beast in the bottomless pit.

When the beast, in spirit form, is allowed to ascend out of the bottomless pit, he does so possessing the slain and recovered Antichrist person. That will take place 42 months before Jesus returns.

In Revelation 12, John again sees Satan, the great red dragon, because Revelation 12, verses 12:6-12:17, begin the 7 years. At the beginning of the 7 years, the actual beast is still in the bottomless pit. It is not until there are 42 months left in Revelation 13, that the beast is not allowed to ascend out of the bottomless pit. In Revelation 13, John does not see Satan the representation of the beast, but the actual beast.

So then, by your interpretations I would assume you would interpret Revelation 17:16 thus:

"And the ten leaders of Europe (the ten horns) which thou sawest upon Satan (upon the beast), these shall hate the Roman Catholic Church (the harlot), and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire."

 

[Interplanner]

It is an interesting interp, because it is modeled after the 6th decade in Judea. But it belongs in the 16-18th century. You have to be able to describe the harlot as guilty of so many deaths of the believers now. It doesn't now. It just wants them to subscribe to same sex married priests.

 

[fcorman]

It is an interesting interp, because it is modeled after the 6th decade in Judea. But it belongs in the 16-18th century. You have to be able to describe the harlot as guilty of so many deaths of the believers now. It doesn't now. It just wants them to subscribe to same sex married priests.

>>>You have to be able to describe the harlot as guilty of so many deaths of the believers now.<<<

LOL Nowhere in that verse does it say that the harlot is "guilty of so many deaths."

Pay attention. Here's what the verse says:

"And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire."

BTW, what do you suppose "eat her flesh" means?

 

[SG9]

>>>You have to be able to describe the harlot as guilty of so many deaths of the believers now.<<<

LOL Nowhere in that verse does it say that the harlot is "guilty of so many deaths."

Pay attention. Here's what the verse says:

"And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire."

BTW, what do you suppose "eat her flesh" means?

Their minds are turned away from their carnal lusts of the flesh. The beast-minded people will be made desolate as the truth abolishes all of their beliefs, and practices. The world-majority sees the Light and the wicked are overcome. The Truth eats their flesh as in James 5:3. And, also their owns "works" of evil become a witness against them as the Truth does expose them. Their own works bring their destruction as well as in Rev 13:4. Thanks

 

[Interplanner]

Backing up to the clue about 'killing all the prophets and saints', you must realize that this is directly from Mt 23, don't you? It was a line about Judaism's leaders. Unfortunately for you this links it quite directly with the 1st century's situations and settings.

Don't be shy; read Holford. The article is a thread here.

 

[fcorman]

Their minds are turned away from their carnal lusts of the flesh. The beast-minded people will be made desolate as the truth abolishes all of their beliefs, and practices. The world-majority sees the Light and the wicked are overcome. The Truth eats their flesh as in James 5:3. And, also their owns "works" of evil become a witness against them as the Truth does expose them. Their own works bring their destruction as well as in Rev 13:4. Thanks

That really doesn't help me at all

Who are the ten horns in the verse below? And who is the beast?, and the harlot?

"And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire."

Care to copy that verse with your interpretations of the words I've
underlined?

 

[Douggg]

So then, by your interpretations I would assume you would interpret Revelation 17:16 thus:

"And the ten leaders of Europe (the ten horns) which thou sawest upon Satan (upon the beast), these shall hate the Roman Catholic Church (the harlot), and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire."

Not exactly. As I gave you my interpretation of that verse which is not a mere substitution because that verse in and of itself is a not a stand alone.

The Vatican is the headquarters of the RCC, which sits on many waters, but itself is headquarters in Rome, the city of the seven mountains (hills). And if a person wants to get even futher technical about it, the woman could be considered as Semiramis, which her son was Tammuz, which Semiramis/Tammuz religion spread in different forms into all cultures of the ancient world from babylon. Tammuz is in the bible. Practically speaking as far as a visible entity, the woman is the Vatican and the RCC.

The ten end times kings (leaders of Europe) will at that time crescendo their resentment of having to cater to the Vatican and the RCC and have an over-riding reason to destroy the Vatican for the reason I stated of the Vatican being a impediment to the Antichrist-beast's agenda.

The actual beast is in the bottomless pit, verse 17:8, first part, as told to John by the angel. John does not see the actual beast himself, when he is in the bottomless pit. The second part of verse 17:8 is the beast after the beast has ascended out of the bottomless pit, in respect to the Antichrist a different person who the beast will possess. The Antichrist is who people will see be killed and come back alive.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: [that part of Revelation 17:8 is referring to the ancient person associated with Babylon, Nimrod imo]

and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. [that part of Revelation 17:8 is referring to the end times Antichrist, who will be killed for going into the temple and claiming to be God. God brings him back alive as the strong to delusion to them who believed his claim in the first place, at which time the unclean spirit of Nimrod will possess him]

The beast ties three persons together.

1. Satan - who empowers the beast, with his own power and that of fallen angel and demonic realm.

2. The ancient person - Nimrod, himself empowered by Satan back in his day, as a giborim, leading the world in unified rebellion in his day of the tower of Babel.

3. The end times Antichrist - he gets into practicing the occult and draws upon occultic powers, as it says in Daniel 8:

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.


In Daniel 11, the end times willful king, the same Antichrist person, is using occultic craft again in this verse...


37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.


The Antichrist will be heavily into the occult. It is no wonder that he himself at the zenith of his power will eventually be possessed by the unclean spirit of Nimrod, a giborim himself, which translates that when he died he became a demon. Once a person realizes that the Antichrist will be into the occult early on in his career then everything will make a lot more sense.

 

[fcorman]

Not exactly. As I gave you my interpretation of that verse which is not a mere substitution because that verse in and of itself is a not a stand alone.

The Vatican is the headquarters of the RCC, which sits on many waters, but itself is headquarters in Rome, the city of the seven mountains (hills). And if a person wants to get even futher technical about it, the woman could be considered as Semiramis, which her son was Tammuz, which Semiramis/Tammuz religion spread in different forms into all cultures of the ancient world from babylon. Tammuz is in the bible. Practically speaking as far as a visible entity, the woman is the Vatican and the RCC.

The ten end times kings (leaders of Europe) will at that time crescendo their resentment of having to cater to the Vatican and the RCC and have an over-riding reason to destroy the Vatican for the reason I stated of the Vatican being a impediment to the Antichrist-beast's agenda.

The actual beast is in the bottomless pit, verse 17:8, first part, as told to John by the angel. John does not see the actual beast himself, when he is in the bottomless pit. The second part of verse 17:8 is the beast after the beast has ascended out of the bottomless pit, in respect to the Antichrist a different person who the beast will possess. The Antichrist is who people will see be killed and come back alive.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: [that part of Revelation 17:8 is referring to the ancient person associated with Babylon, Nimrod imo]

and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. [that part of Revelation 17:8 is referring to the end times Antichrist, who will be killed for going into the temple and claiming to be God. God brings him back alive as the strong to delusion to them who believed his claim in the first place, at which time the unclean spirit of Nimrod will possess him]

The beast ties three persons together.

1. Satan - who empowers the beast, with his own power and that of fallen angel and demonic realm.

2. The ancient person - Nimrod, himself empowered by Satan back in his day, as a giborim, leading the world in unified rebellion in his day of the tower of Babel.

3. The end times Antichrist - he gets into practicing the occult and draws upon occultic powers, as it says in Daniel 8:

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.


In Daniel 11, the end times willful king, the same Antichrist person, is using occultic craft again in this verse...


37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.


The Antichrist will be heavily into the occult. It is no wonder that he himself at the zenith of his power will eventually be possessed by the unclean spirit of Nimrod, a giborim himself, which translates that when he died he became a demon. Once a person realizes that the Antichrist will be into the occult early on in his career then everything will make a lot more sense.

That certainly doesn't come from the Bible, for either Daniel nor John the Revelator spoke of an "Antichrist". That is a fable; a man-made doctrine which contains no truth whatsoever. And yet one would be hard pressed today to find one preacher or one prophecy teacher who doesn't teach that fable. And that is precisely what Jesus was talking about in Matt.24 when the disciples asked him, "What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"
The very first thing Jesus said was,
"Take heed that no man deceive you."

That was a warning not to the desciples themselves, but to Christians whom are living in the end times, ie to those of us whom are living right now in this present age.

Peter as well spoke of that deception and of the false teachers in the last days. In 2nd Peter, chapter 2 he foretold that they would "make merchandise" of Christian believers. In other words, they would sell their heresies for profit.
And Peter foretold that MANY would follow them, because the truth behind the prophetic scriptures would be evil spoken of.

Now then, below is the correct interpretation of Revelation 17:16. Call my interpretation evil if you like, but it's the true interpretation nontheless... Why? Because the prophetic scriptures are about modern-day America (BABYLON THE GREAT), and about the apostasy of present-day white Americans and the exaltation of black Americans.

Rev.17:16 "And the black men (the ten horns) which thou sawest upon America (upon Babylon the Great; upon America) these shall hate America's white daughters, and shall make her desolate and naked (and corrupted), and shall destroy her race (eat her flesh) and deceive her (and burn her with fire).

Daniel foretold it thus in chapter 11, verse 17

He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him.

 

[SwordFall]

That really doesn't help me at all

Who are the ten horns in the verse below? And who is the beast?, and the harlot?

"And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire."

Care to copy that verse with your interpretations of the words I've
underlined?

It's probably economical.

Though one may not like the blandness of it, there will be ten super powers ran ultimately by an empire who runs and strives under such influence.

That empire may be China or Japan, the harlot in red and white, or red dragon with economical might.

 

[fcorman]

It's probably economical.

Though one may not like the blandness of it, there will be ten super powers ran ultimately by an empire who runs and strives under such influence.

That empire may be China or Japan, the harlot in red and white, or red dragon with economical might.

Nope, it's not about Japan, nor China, nor Iran, nor Pakastan, nor any other country in the world, except AMERICA; depicted as BABYLON THE GREAT in the scriptures.

 

[SwordFall]

Nope, it's not about Japan, nor China, nor Iran, nor Pakastan, nor any other country in the world, except AMERICA; depicted as BABYLON THE GREAT in the scriptures.

It's hard for a country to be the WoB when it doesn't even exist.
I pretty much have my money on the notion that America won't be around in about 50 years.
At the very least, she won't have enough ana to be the WoB, for sure.

 

[fcorman]

It's hard for a country to be the WoB when it doesn't even exist.
I pretty much have my money on the notion that America won't be around in about 50 years.
At the very least, she won't have enough ana to be the WoB, for sure.

What's "WoB", and "ana"?

 

[SwordFall]

What's "WoB", and "ana"?

WoB= harlot of babylon
ana= power, or zeal