should i vote for donald trump?

[Ringo84]

I is for irony: in 2008/2009, Republicans loved to claim that Obama was "the Hollywood president" who was all popularity and no substance.

Fast forward seven years, and suddenly those same Republicans are supporting Trump, who is mostly famous for being famous on "reality" TV.

 

[stamperben]

I feel like you may be moving the goal posts a bit (or at the very least splitting hairs). You first said he made no repudiation of it, I posted two articles, one where he stated that he disavowed racism, and another where he said he didn't want their support. ...then you shifted the goalposts saying that wasn't good enough because he didn't word it in a way that was to your liking, so you're acting as if 'that doesn't count'.

Racists were claiming to back him
He disavowed racism
He said he didn't want their endorsement

"If it makes you feel better" and "I don't want or need their support" spoken to a reporter are repudiations? Okay... It would have been much clearer if he addressed his comments directly to the organization who's support he didn't want. I haven't seen it, have you?

Words have meaning, and clear words have clear meaning. Trump has made an art of saying things in a round about way. Or not saying things in a round about way. And the base eats it up.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

"If it makes you feel better" and "I don't want or need their support" spoken to a reporter are repudiations? Okay... It would have been much clearer if he addressed his comments directly to the organization who's support he didn't want. I haven't seen it, have you?

Address unknown people who anonymously posted some kind words to him online behind screennames? If the Donald gets put on the defensive over that, he might as well throw in the towel now.

 

[stamperben]

Address unknown people who anonymously posted some kind words to him online behind screennames? If the Donald gets put on the defensive over that, he might as well throw in the towel now.

Oh, but we can only hope! But never fear, he will in no way get defensive about it.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

the next year will be the first year that I can vote for president. I hear lots of people talking about Donald trump and he seems like he is a strong guy on the issues. is he a good Christian and should I vote for him? will he fix the global economy?

You are free to vote for whoever in your opinion will do the best job. I'd just suggest reading up on his policies, watching the debates, studying his opponents. I'd also suggest studying the Democrat side as well. You're a first time voter and it's good to educate yourself on both sides as to not have a bias to one side. Find out what you like, what you don't like. What you agree with and do not agreed with. All of this so you can make an informed decision.

As far as your question about his faith. He was quoted saying the Bible was his favorite book. This, however could be pandering to Christian voters. If I were to guess, i'd say he isn't religious at all. (Agnostic or Atheist). However, that shouldn't matter. I don't base my vote on what type of belief system someone has. I study to see if I think they'd be a good candidate for the highest office in the world. Good luck and congratulations on getting to vote for the first time!

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Words have meaning, and clear words have clear meaning. Trump has made an art of saying things in a round about way. Or not saying things in a round about way. And the base eats it up.

So, "I'm not a racist" & "I don't want their support" aren't clear statements?

And for your comments earlier about nobody at Stormfront having anything good to say about Sanders...
Now that I'm home on my own PC and not a work PC, I took the liberty of doing some digging...

From Stormfront:
What we need is Racial Socialism but we aren't going to get that right now so we need to work on getting the workers what they deserve which is a livable wage, better hours, better working conditions. I think Sanders would do that. His speech in Iowa is spot on 100% correct.

Sanders is a Jew, yes, but I would support his fiscal policies in ANY nation..even if it was a white-only nation...the worker should not be exploited for gain...period.

So if Jew like Sanders actually won the Presidency of this country would that would be a good thing? In the short term, yes. It would help the workers.


...but I feel like we're side-barring a bit. The topic that was being discussed before we branched off was whether or not a evil groups support of a candidate is a good reason not to vote for that candidate. Is it really that easy to derail a campaign and cause the person to lose credibility in your eyes?

Earlier on CF, people were posting in a thread implying that Obama hates (or doesn't care about) police officers...if Obama doesn't specifically address the internet trolls, does that make it true?

 

[stamperben]

Okay, I'll concede your point. I won't have anything positive to say about The Donald however, no matter how many politicians he's bought off.

 

[Albion]

At a suggestion from a friend I went to the white supremacist web site Stormfront.org. My friend was telling me how much they love Trump and that I needed to see it with my own eyes. So I went and checked it out. I came away with the distinct feeling that my friend understated the support Trump has from that group. They are going crazy for him. One person even sees Trump as "the opening act for the Fourth Reich". Unless you want to be in bed with white supremacist, NO, don't vote for Trump

Please note, in no way am I making the claim that Trump is a white supremacist. I don't believe that he is. But there is something that group sees in Trump that they like, a lot!! And I think that's troubling enough to not vote for Trump.

How ridiculous. Ordinarily, you'd say that these people are delusional and are conspiracy nuts or something in that vein. Yet suddenly we're supposed to think that they're really onto something, as though they're the most perceptive observers on the political scene!

Of course they don't speak for Trump OR know what he will or won't do.

They merely are among the many who are sick and tired of this country going down the drain and hope that someone will turn things around. I know that many Americans who are in business or the military would say the same thing...and I don't think for a moment that they're white supremacists, either.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

How ridiculous. Ordinarily, you'd say that these people are delusional and are conspiracy nuts or something in that vein. Yet suddenly we're supposed to think that they're really onto something, as though they're the most perceptive observers on the political scene!

Of course they don't speak for Trump OR know what he will or won't do.

They merely are among the many who are sick and tired of this country going down the drain and hope that someone will turn things around. I know that many Americans who are in business or the military would say the same thing...and I don't think for a moment that they're white supremacists, either.

The people on that site are completely delusional. They have a sick, sadistic fantasy of an all white nation. They'll gladly receive modern medicine that was discovered by the very diverse medical community though. I browsed that site out of curiosity and it's just full of ridiculous claims and fantasy.

 

[Rationalt]

Do yours?

I don't have a regular source. I use google to research on internet resources and then check the sources for their authenticity.

 

[Armoured]

the next year will be the first year that I can vote for president. I hear lots of people talking about Donald trump and he seems like he is a strong guy on the issues. is he a good Christian and should I vote for him? will he fix the global economy?

Go for it. What's the worst that could happen?

 

[Rationalt]

The people on that site are completely delusional. They have a sick, sadistic fantasy of an all white nation. They'll gladly receive modern medicine that was discovered by the very diverse medical community though. I browsed that site out of curiosity and it's just full of ridiculous claims and fantasy.

The irony of those supremacist groups is that most of them are dumb.It doesn't mean that they don't have any valid arguments whatsoever.

 

[MorkandMindy]

The reason we have two very popular candidates, Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders who both don't fit the Republican & Democrat parties as they stand at present is because neither party is actually in the right place - both are almost useless.


The Republican Party for example want more immigration. Cheap labor coming into the country will push down wages. The old Republican trick of helping only the rich and claiming it will magically also help the lower income ranges, 'the rising tide floats all the boats', has been in use since 1973 and totally discredited. All it has led to is a mass flow of money out of the country as the rich benefited from lower costs by moving factories to other countries.

Donald opposes immigration more than either the Republican or Democrat parties do, and he has given good reasons for his stand. Very limited legal immigration is OK but unrestrained immigration would be a disaster. Current economic models suggest it would lead to the US population hitting 1 billion in just 20 years - three times the present population.

 

[MorkandMindy]

I don't think Donald Trump would be anything like as bad as GW Bush was. Despite the high-handed impression Americans from a leader, Donald Trump knows when it is necessary to negotiate.

In contrast GW Bush first threatened N Korea with invasion and then ignored them giving them the need to develop nuclear weapons and then the time to do it. And G W Bush invaded Iraq once it was clear they had no substantial means of defense, largely because of the money his friends would make out of it. He got rich himself I understand mainly from the operation 'bioshield' by ordering a useless vaccine on a lucrative single bid contract after ensuring his father bought stock in the company.

All that time a Fundamentalist in the US was emailing me about how GWB was giving a smackdown to the liberals, unaware that GWB with two Ivy League degrees was pretty much by definition a liberal, called a neo-liberal if he's just cynically in it for the money. His critics behind his back refered to him as 'Frat boy'.

Donald Trump has more integrity than GWB and also stated that it is good for people to work and he would rather have people working than not working. I totally agree on that too. I know that after I graduated with the degree my dad told me would open doors everywhere and it did nothing but close doors everywhere I would have rather been stacking shelves than banging my head against the wall.

So the makings of a good guy are there.

Still I think of Bernie Sanders as more of a thoroughbred as he has decades of campaigning to get America back to work, fixing the infrastructure, all the usual stuff that has to be done after a run of right wing Presidents.

Bernie is a safer bet, I just hope he has the sense to be more of a national socialist because the fault with most socialists is they are international socialists.

Maybe it should go on the border from Central America into Mexico instead, or more likely both, but

That wall needs to be built.

 

[seashale76]

the next year will be the first year that I can vote for president. I hear lots of people talking about Donald trump and he seems like he is a strong guy on the issues. is he a good Christian and should I vote for him? will he fix the global economy?

Instead of asking us who you should vote for, why don't you evaluate the candidates running based on their platform and how their views line up with your own on the various issues? Go to their websites. If they're already in politics, check their voting records and the things they've done to date. Figure out where you personally stand on various issues, find the candidate that lines up with your own views the best, and then make your decision accordingly.

 

[Albion]

the next year will be the first year that I can vote for president. I hear lots of people talking about Donald trump and he seems like he is a strong guy on the issues. is he a good Christian and should I vote for him? will he fix the global economy?

A lot has been written in response to your question here, but really, it's early in the campaign. The election is more than 14 months away. By that time, you'll have so much more information to base your judgments on that there's no reason to be overly concerned about it right now.

 

[Willtor]

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Bernie is a safer bet, I just hope he has the sense to be more of a national socialist because the fault with most socialists is they are international socialists.

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"National socialist" doesn't mean what you think it means. I take your comment to mean you hope he's more concerned with domestic affairs?

 

[MorkandMindy]

"National socialist" doesn't mean what you think it means. I take your comment to mean you hope he's more concerned with domestic affairs?

Yes, that is what I meant, a government that works generally for the benefit of the greatest number of people living within the nation.

The term 'National Socialist' was used in the 1930s in Germany to trick people into backing fascism which was the exact opposite of socialism, it had the wealthy and corporations oppressing the population, whereas socialism tries as much as practicable to benefit the population.

I think it is time to return the term to etymology of the words it is built from. That someone made a lie of it 85 years ago doesn't mean we need to continue that lie.

Unless there is a better way of labelling actual National Socialism we need to continue to call the 1930s and 1940s German fascists 'Nazis' and reclaim the term 'National Socialist' to it's correct meaning.

 

[MorkandMindy]

Interestingly the German population did eventually get a true National Socialist government and is now the most successful (per capita) large economy in the World.

It is referred to as a 'Federalist Republic' where the term 'republic' is now used correctly, meaning 'rule by the public' in contrast with the US republic which is primarily run by the media.

 

[Albion]

Yes, that is what I meant, a government that works generally for the benefit of the greatest number of people living within the nation.

The term 'National Socialist' was used in the 1930s in Germany to trick people into backing fascism which was the exact opposite of socialism

FWIW, you're mistaken about that. Many of the early Nazis saw themselves as socialist revolutionaries very much like the Communists except that they were patriots/nationalists. The differences between National Socialism, Fascism, and Communism are fewer than the similarities.