Having become a TE recently, and really enjoying the debate, I often bring up the subject with Christian friends of mine. One of my friends wrote me an email one day with an intereting POV in it. I'll quote what he said.
I've tried explaining that Genesis could be taken as literal or as allegory (or myth or whatever you prefer). But we need to take evidence into account to find out which is true. I explained i believe, based on the evidence that Genesis is myth, but it is still 100% true that God made everything, just not literally how it happened. I tried using other passages such as when Satan showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the earth from a high point, which implies a flat earth and obviously can't be true. But my friend pointed out that those passaged contain the phrases "in an instant" and "and all their splendor" which implies a visionary experience. In the case of Ex. 20:1-11, there is no room left for allegory because it so strongly says "And God spoke all these words... 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth..." This is the first thing I need some help with. Does anyone who is better educated on theology have any input into this passage?
The second thing is and interesting point as well. I said that all the evidence of the earth points to an old earth and evolution, and that YECs always turn to theological arguments. I explained inductive reasoning and said "Lets say there is a certain type of rock in a layer found only at the top of a mountain, and there is a boulder at the bottom of the mountain of the same type of rock. In the layer of rock there is a hole the rock would fit into quite well (minus a little erosion). It's logical to conclude the rock fell from that hole and that's how it got to the bottom of the mountain. "
His response was quite interesting. He said, "okay lets assume that's all true, but what if God told you in an audible voice that He created the rock there, and that it never fell from the mountain, what would you think then?"
For this i don't have a specific question, just looking for comments.
I've talked with him a lot since this email so i'll try to fill you in on what we've discussed.Ex 20:1-11
20:1 And God spoke all these words:
8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy... 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."
(from New International Version)
If God spoke the words in Exodus 20:11, it would seem that he meant that he created the world in 6 24 hour days, as was recorded in Genesis 2:2-3. If the Sabbath rest was something that God intended for humanity, he could have simply commanded it with no reason given, but it is interesting that he went out of his way to say that it is because he created everything in 6 days
and rested on the 7th day, and therefore we should do likewise. Not only us, but the Sabbath was for the land as well, as God declared every seventh year a Sabbath for the land when they could not plant or tend their fields.
It seems that there are some significant implications regarding how we understand the Bible when it says "God spoke these words" and what we believe about creation. If the creation account is an allegorical expression of evolution, then we are confronted with God's own words regarding the issue.
If we accept the allegorical view as truth, then it makes me wonder why God wouldn't have been more up front with humanity at the beginning, avoiding the tension caused by his affirmation of something that did not actually happen the way that he said it did (in terms of time frame and order of creation), his own assertion of his character:
Num 23:19
9 "God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; "
He could have avoided the whole problem by saying, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. It took a really long time, and it was a complicated procedure, but in the end we have plants, water, land, light, and people that had a spirit in them, breathed in by God himself. But humanity rebelled against God, and the nature of the offence, if it could be boiled down and summarized, was like this: "It was as if there was a perfect garden, untainted, pure, etc, and..."
If God stated it that way, we would be even more amazed at how big and complex he is and how small we are, as we could not fathom how God did it all, especially when he used a time frame well beyond anything we could have ever imagined.
I've tried explaining that Genesis could be taken as literal or as allegory (or myth or whatever you prefer). But we need to take evidence into account to find out which is true. I explained i believe, based on the evidence that Genesis is myth, but it is still 100% true that God made everything, just not literally how it happened. I tried using other passages such as when Satan showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the earth from a high point, which implies a flat earth and obviously can't be true. But my friend pointed out that those passaged contain the phrases "in an instant" and "and all their splendor" which implies a visionary experience. In the case of Ex. 20:1-11, there is no room left for allegory because it so strongly says "And God spoke all these words... 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth..." This is the first thing I need some help with. Does anyone who is better educated on theology have any input into this passage?
The second thing is and interesting point as well. I said that all the evidence of the earth points to an old earth and evolution, and that YECs always turn to theological arguments. I explained inductive reasoning and said "Lets say there is a certain type of rock in a layer found only at the top of a mountain, and there is a boulder at the bottom of the mountain of the same type of rock. In the layer of rock there is a hole the rock would fit into quite well (minus a little erosion). It's logical to conclude the rock fell from that hole and that's how it got to the bottom of the mountain. "
His response was quite interesting. He said, "okay lets assume that's all true, but what if God told you in an audible voice that He created the rock there, and that it never fell from the mountain, what would you think then?"
For this i don't have a specific question, just looking for comments.