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Satellite Photos Support Testimony That Iraqi WMD Went to Syria

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by Yoder777, Nov 20, 2010.

  1. Yoder777

    Yoder777 Senior Veteran

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    Satellite Photos Support Testimony That Iraqi WMD Went to Syria
    Pajamas Media » Satellite Photos Support Testimony That Iraqi WMD Went to Syria

    Intel chief nominee Clapper held disputed Iraq WMD view
    President Obama's choice to be the next director of national intelligence supported the view that Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq sent weapons and documents to Syria in the weeks before the 2003 U.S. invasion.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/4/likely-intel-chief-clapper-held-disputed-wmd-view/

    While I am no fan of the Iraq war, this is worth looking into. Please keep in mind, I do not support the Iraq war. I think there were means other than full scale war for removing Saddam. At the same time, I will let history ultimately decide whether going to war was a mistake. It's all based on whether or not Iraq will be better off in the long run than it would have been if Saddam stayed in power.
     
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  2. DaisyDay

    DaisyDay blind squirrel

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    Why would Saddam Hussein give his WMDs to Syria?
     
  3. brindisi

    brindisi New Member

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    He knew Iraq was going to be invaded, and he wanted to remove as much evidence of WMD programs as possible in a way that it could be retrieved later. He expected to survive, stay in power, and restart his programs when the invading armies left.
     
  4. DesertSky

    DesertSky Guest

    :doh:
     
  5. Yoder777

    Yoder777 Senior Veteran

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    I believe that Bush misstated the case for the Iraq war and that the post-invasion was badly mishandled until the surge, yet I'll let history ultimately decide as to whether it was a mistake.
     
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    Retrieved later? Fat chance that Syria, which was threaten by Iraq, would ever give them back.

    Also what is the point of having WMDs if you can't even use them to defend yourself from an invading army.
     
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    Pro-Wrestling on TV is real too. Everytime people act like bitter enemies, they really are. . . . really :sorry:

    Lez see, are you going to use WMD against the government with the biggest stockpile of nuclear and conventional weapons on the planet (a country that could turn yours into a giant glass bowl), or are you going to bide your time and smoke the ally of that country which incidently has been a bur in the saddle of every Muslim state in the region. . . when the time is right? I am not saying Saddam had any military genius, but. . . . the point of having WMD's if you can't use them to stop the US, should be pretty close to a no brainer.
     
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    That would be short term thinking, and Saddam Hussein was thinking long term. He felt he could survive an invading army that used only conventional weapons, but KNEW that if he used any kind of WMD the US would respond with devastating force and his regime would be utterly destroyed beyond any hope of recovery. Short term he looked for survival; long term he thought the US and others would lose patience and leave the Middle East for good. He almost got away with that before 2003 as France, Germany, Russia, and China where systematically undermining UN sanctions. It was a good bet for him that he could get away with it again, especially if the world could be convinced to say "See, Bush lied, people died. No WMD!"



    Saddam's Secret Tapes, Jim Kouri, CPP, February 17, 2006
    http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/printFriendly/5999

    When former federal prosecutor and terrorism expert John Loftus announced in Janurary that his organization Intelligence Summit (intelligencesummit.com) would host a special conference in order to reveal the contents of 12 hours of Saddam Hussein audiotapes discovered in Iraq, there was hardly any press coverage. But once the blogosphere, talk radio and Fox News Channel -- on which Loftus is a contributer -- got wind of the contents of Saddam's conversations with underlings, some media organizations decided to cover the story -- sort of.

    At one point Hussein Kamel, Saddam's son-in-law and the man who was in charge of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction efforts can be heard on the tapes speaking openly about hiding information from the U.N.

    "We did not reveal all that we have," Kamel says in the meeting. "Not the type of weapons, not the volume of the materials we imported, not the volume of the production we told them about, not the volume of use. None of this was correct."

    Charles Duelfer, who led the official U.S. search for weapons of mass destruction after the war, says the tapes show extensive deception but don't prove that weapons were still hidden in Iraq at the time of the U.S.-led war in 2003.

    "What they do is support the conclusion in the report, which we made in the last couple of years, that the regime had the intention of building and rebuilding weapons of mass destruction, when circumstances permitted," he said.

    Intelligence Summit's Loftus has maintained for years that Saddam's stash of WMD was moved into Syria prior to the US invasion. An opinion shared by many intelligence experts. This is being confirmed by two of Saddam's military commanders.

    A couple of weeks ago, a General Sada, formerly Sadaam’s number two Air Force commander, told the New York Sun that Sadaam’s WMD was moved to Syria just six weeks before the US-led invasion. Now Ali Ibrahim, one of Saddam's commanders in northern Iraq confirms this and explains the underlying strategy of Saddam:

    "I know Saddam’s weapons are in Syria due to certain military deals that were made going as far back as the late 1980’s that dealt with the event that either capitol [Damascus or Baghdad] were to be threatened with being overrun by an enemy nation. Not to mention I have discussed this in-depth with various contacts of mine who have confirmed what I already knew. At this point Saddam knew that the United States were eventually going to come for his weapons and the United States wasn’t going to just let this go like they did in the original Gulf War. He knew that he had lied for this many years and wanted to maintain legitimacy with the pan Arab nationalists. He also has wanted, since he took power, to embarrass the West and this was the perfect opportunity to do so."

    After Saddam denied he had such weapons why would he use them or leave them readily available to be found? That would only legitimize President Bush, with whom he has a personal grudge. What we are witnessing now is many who opposed the war to begin with are rallying around Saddam saying we overthrew a sovereign leader based on a lie about WMD. This is exactly what Saddam wanted and predicted.


    Tapes reveal WMD plans by Saddam, The Washington Times, March 13, 2006
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/mar/13/20060313-123146-7380r/

    Audiotapes of Saddam Hussein and his aides underscore the Bush administration's argument that Baghdad was determined to rebuild its arsenal of weapons of mass destruction once the international community had tired of inspections and left the Iraqi dictator alone.

    Mr. Tierney said that the quote from the Saddam aide, and scores of others, show Saddam was rebuilding his once-ample weapons stocks. "The tapes show that Saddam rebuilt his program and successfully prevented the U.N. from finding out about it," he said. There also exists a quote from the dictator himself, who ordered the tapings to keep a record of his inner-sanctum discussions, that Mr. Tierney thinks shows Saddam planned to use a proxy to attack the United States.

    Mr. Tierney said he thinks the regime poured chemical weapons into lakes and rivers and sent other stocks over the border to Syria. Mr. Tierney served as a U.N. weapons inspector in the 1990s. "The ISG, they were lied to in a very systematic way," he said. "Lying. They were very good at it."

    So far, the tapes do not shed light on what ultimately happened to Saddam's large stocks of weapons of mass destruction. None were found by the ISG, whose director, Charles Duelfer, filed a final report in 2004.

    Some pundits and recently retired military officers are convinced that Saddam moved his remaining weapons to Syria. They cite satellite photos of lines of trucks heading into the neighboring country before the invasion and the fact Saddam positioned his trusted Iraqi Intelligence Service agents at border crossings.

    Mr. Duelfer said there were promising leads that weapons of mass destruction did go into Syria, but the security situation prevented him from closing the loop. Mr. Duelfer concluded that Saddam planned to resume weapons of mass destruction production once the United Nations lifted economic sanctions.

    Of the tapes released so far, Mr. Hoekstra said, "Everything [Saddam] is doing is saying, 'Let's take it and hide it' with a clear intent. 'As soon as this is over, we're going to be back after this.' "
     
  9. DesertSky

    DesertSky Guest

    WMDs are not defensive weapons. Please, this question and your previous one about hiding them in Syria indicate that you really don't belong in this discussion.
     
  10. brindisi

    brindisi New Member

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    I like to think aisy_Day does belong in this discussion, but is aware of only one side of these issues. The left has been very successful in their deception.

    Perhaps we can change some minds.
     
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    Pommer Ex- Satinist now Muslin

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    Sorry, that's not possible.




    Every once in a while I trot this out
     
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    brindisi New Member

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    Pommer's law!! I like it.:wave: You should trot it out more often.
     
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    SOAD Why do they always send the poor? (S.O.A.D.)

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    Why didn't Bush and the warmongers chase the WMD's? After all, Rummy is on record of saying where the WMD's were. That is because there were none, and this is just rehashing conspiracy. There is no proof here.
     
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    Imagine if the weapons were there and our government had no idea where to find them, no idea how easily insurgents could use them at any moment. Would they want our troops and the Iraqi people to be in constant fear of that?
     
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    Stories like this have appeared from time to time:

     
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    Saddam general: WMDs in Syria
    Another former confidant of ex-dictator makes claim, also links Iraq to al-Qaida 
    A former general and friend of Saddam Hussein who defected but maintains close contact with Iraq claims the regime supported al-Qaida with intelligence, finances and munitions and believes weapons of mass destruction are hidden in Syria.
    Saddam general: WMDs in Syria
     
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    That's right. Only US and Israel can have WMDs.:doh:
     
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    Do Russia, and China, and the United Kingdom, and France, and India, and Pakistan, and North Korea know about this?
     
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