Satellite Photos Support Testimony That Iraqi WMD Went to Syria

[Macx]

I like that ya'll are sporting the save avatar. . . . between that and the quote I thought it was a double tap at first.

 

[Chris81]

hmm...I don't believe in this Syria now has Iraq's WMD's. This sounds like some propaganda that the neoconservatives put together to lead us into another war in the middle east. No there is good reason to not believe this story and be suspicious of its supposed evidence.

Nothing to say that we won't invade Syria and then amazingly find yet again that there are no weapons of mass destruction. The neocons will just say that they were transported to another county that is our enemy. It therefore becomes the perfect reason for our endless wars, invading country after country, building 'democratic' states loyal to the US empire, chasing phantom WMDs that never existed. No thanks, I have been neoconned one too many times and I hope people don't fall for anymore of this BS.

 

[Yoder777]

This might be worth watching:

Uncle Saddam

A documentary on the life of Saddam Hussein.Uncle Saddam

Uncle Saddam is a satirical yet sobering look inside the world of Iraqi president Saddam Hussein. Award-winning filmmaker Joel Soler, who is still under Government protection, risked life and limb to shoot and smuggle this strange and captivating footage out of Iraq. Featuring narration written by Scott Thompson of "The Kids in the Hall" and the voice of Wallace Langham ("Mark" on ABC's "What About Joan?", "Josh" on NBC's "Veronica's Closet", "Phil" on HBO's Emmy Award-winning "Larry Sanders Show") the film has the feel of an episode of "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" spotlighting, as is often the case, one of the world's most hated men.
Amazon.com: Uncle Saddam: Qusay Hussein, Saddam Hussein, Uday Hussein, Wallace Langham, Gerard Ungerman, Joel Soler, John Hoelle, Teki, Scott Thompson: Movies & TV

 

[simonpeter]

Do Russia, and China, and the United Kingdom, and France, and India, and Pakistan, and North Korea know about this?

Then why make a fuss about Iraq and not these countries?

 

[DaisyDay]

Pro-Wrestling on TV is real too. Everytime people act like bitter enemies, they really are. . . . really

International politics isn't really quite the same as pro-wrestling, but I can see how someone might make that mistake. But some people realize that there really is true animosity between Arab nations as well as between factions within nations.

What, you think after Kuwait any of Iraq's neighbors felt secure enough to want the bully Hussein to have WMDs? You're wrong if you think Saddam was well-loved by his neighbors.

 

[DaisyDay]

WMDs are not defensive weapons.

They can be weapons of last resort, dear. Why did we require all soldiers to get smallpox and anthrax vaccines if we weren't concerned? Why did we equip them with full body protection against chemical attacks if we knew they would not be deployed?

Of course, it turns out they didn't have weaponizable chemicals or biological agents and lacked the means of delivery.

Please, this question and your previous one about hiding them in Syria indicate that you really don't belong in this discussion.

Closing people out of discussions because you believe them to be ignorant is puzzling - wouldn't it be better to politely make your point with evidence and valid arguments, supposing, of course, that you actually had any? I think your real point was simply to be condescendingly rude. Congrats, you succeeded in that.

 

[brindisi]

Then why make a fuss about Iraq and not these countries?

I'm assuming you mean Iran. And in that case the concern is with the comments made of wanting to 'wipe Israel from the map' and wanting to destroy the west. Having nuclear weapons with those goals is a little different from having them as a deterrent.

BTW, there is great concern about Pakistan and North Korea.

 

[SOAD]

Imagine if the weapons were there and our government had no idea where to find them, no idea how easily insurgents could use them at any moment. Would they want our troops and the Iraqi people to be in constant fear of that?

Give me a break. I already wrote(which you ignored) that Rummy stated that they knew where the WMD's were. If Bush knew then why did they let the take the WMD's to Syria? Either Rummy was lying or the American invasion was a failure. Which one? The yellowcake was old and already accounted for by the weapons inspectors. The war mongers tried to use that "find" as proof. This WMD accusation was just the first step in a systematic set of lies put forth by the Bush administration. After none were found, it became a mission to save Iraqi's from evil Saddam. All lies.

 

[SOAD]

I'm assuming you mean Iran.

Incorrect. He meant Russia, and China, and the United Kingdom, and France, and India, and Pakistan, and North Korea as written in the link he quoted, not Iran. Why assume?

 

[SOAD]

hmm...I don't believe in this Syria now has Iraq's WMD's. This sounds like some propaganda that the neoconservatives put together to lead us into another war in the middle east. No there is good reason to not believe this story and be suspicious of its supposed evidence.

Nothing to say that we won't invade Syria and then amazingly find yet again that there are no weapons of mass destruction. The neocons will just say that they were transported to another county that is our enemy. It therefore becomes the perfect reason for our endless wars, invading country after country, building 'democratic' states loyal to the US empire, chasing phantom WMDs that never existed. No thanks, I have been neoconned one too many times and I hope people don't fall for anymore of this BS.

This thread is evidence that some of them still do fall for this ruse.

 

[jgarden]

Efforts by Syrians and Iraqis to unite Iraq and Syria into one country have existed since the creation of the modern states. Hostility between Syria and Iraq started in the 1960s when both were ruled by the Baath Party. Syria closed its embassy in Baghdad after Saddam Hussein took power in 1979.[3] Later, Syria joined the anti-Saddam coalition that liberated Kuwait from Iraqi occupation in the 1991 Gulf War. Up until the renewal of diplomatic ties in 2006, Iraqi leaders often accused Syria of trying to destabilize their country by allowing Sunni Arab foreign fighters to cross the border Iraq shares with Syria.

Relations with Syria have been marred by traditional rivalry for pre-eminence in Arab affairs, allegations of involvement in each other’s internal politics, and disputes over the waters of Euphrates River, oil transit fees, and stances toward Israel. Syria broke relations after Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990 and joined other Arab countries in sending military forces to the coalition that forced Iraq out of Kuwait. Relations remained cool until Bashar al-Asad became President of Syria in 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq–Syria_relations

Syria has never on good terms with Saddam and relations have only improved after he was removed from office.

Why would Syrian want WMD even if Saddam was willing to send them since they caused Iraq nothing but problems?

The only nation against whom Syria could use WMD would be Israel - and if the Israelis ever suspected such an attack was possible, they would send in their military immediately!

 

[Yoder777]

This documentary takes a look at Saddam's brutality from a satirical point of view:

Uncle Saddam
A documentary on the life of Saddam Hussein.
Uncle Saddam

While history might ultimately decide the war was a mistake, I feel grateful at least that Saddam is gone.

 

[Yoder777]

Here's the evidence in this thread against Saddam:

Secret U.S. mission hauls uranium from Iraq
Last major stockpile from Saddam's nuclear efforts arrives in Canada
The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy.
U.S. removes 'yellowcake' from Iraq - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq - msnbc.com

WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results
By late 2003, even the Bush White House’s staunchest defenders were starting to give up on the idea that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. But WikiLeaks’ newly-released Iraq war documents reveal that for years afterward, U.S. troops continued to find chemical weapons labs, encounter insurgent specialists in toxins and uncover weapons of mass destruction.
WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results | Danger Room | Wired.com

Former Iraqi Air Force General Georges Sada discusses the reality of WMDs in Iraq and how they were smuggled out before the Americans arrived.
YouTube - Sarah Palin; George Bush.......Were They Right About The WMDs?
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Saddam general: WMDs in Syria
Another former confidant of ex-dictator makes claim, also links Iraq to al-Qaida 
A former general and friend of Saddam Hussein who defected but maintains close contact with Iraq claims the regime supported al-Qaida with intelligence, finances and munitions and believes weapons of mass destruction are hidden in Syria.
Saddam general: WMDs in Syria

Vindicated for Removing Saddam
The Duelfer Report, the final assessment of the Iraq Survey Group, states that a former Iraqi intelligence officer testified that the M16 Directorate “had a plan to produce and weaponize nitrogen mustard in rifle grenades and a plan to bottle sarin and sulfur mustard in perfume sprayer and medicine bottles which they would ship to the United States and Europe.” The plot was not launched because of an inability to get the ingredients for the weapons. This substantiates intelligence received in 1998 that prompted the British government to put its airports and seaports on alert because Iraqis were planning to smuggle anthrax into several countries including the United Kingdom inside bottles used for cosmetics, cigarette lighters, perfume sprays, and other apparently harmless items.

The Iraq Survey Group also found that the M14 Directorate was giving terrorist training to Iraqis, Palestinians, Syrians, Yemenis, Lebanese, Egyptians, Sudanese and other nationals at Salman Pak. The site that had an airliner and other Iraqi defectors reported that it was being used to provide training in tactics including hijacking. According to reporter Stephen Hayes, other documents show that Iraq trained 2,000 terrorists each year since 1999 at three camps. The ISG also said that it received testimony that Iraq had tried to recruit a former member of Hamas to kill Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon at the Western Wall in Jerusalem using an unmanned aerial vehicle loaded with C4 explosives. Detainees later admitted that an undeclared site existed where such vehicles had been produced that ran test flights beyond the range allowed by the United Nations.

The Bush Administration could have saved its own credibility and that of the United States by explaining that the distinction between having the ability to quickly produce WMD and having actual stockpiles is minimal. The ISG confirmed that dual-use facilities had “assets that could be converted for BW [biological weapons] agent production within 4 to 5 weeks after the decision to do so.” One site had the ability to “provide the core of an alternative break-out capability…perhaps within 2 to 3 weeks.” Furthermore, Iraqi intelligence operated “a set of undeclared covert laboratories to research and test various chemicals and poisons, primarily for intelligence operations” and Iraq “intended to develop smallpox and possibly other viral pathogens.”

As for nuclear weapons, Saddam Hussein told his interrogator that he’d restart that program once U.N. sanctions were lifted, which he expected to happen in 2004. Even if they were not lifted, they were becoming weaker and weaker and the day was coming soon when Saddam would feel comfortable restarting his nuclear weapons work. These facts bolster the case for removing Saddam Hussein without even mentioning the possibility that WMDs went to Syria. Satellite photos provide credibility to the testimony of a Syrian journalist who identified three sites they were shipped to.
Vindicated for Removing Saddam | Freedom Center Students
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[Ezio Auditore di Firenze]

World Net Daily and the Freedom Center are not credible sources in the least. MSNBC is alright, but Wired I know I can trust.

 

[brindisi]

World Net Daily and the Freedom Center are not credible sources in the least. MSNBC is alright, but Wired I know I can trust.

Perhaps you could try to refute the facts presented, rather than trying to discredit the source. It matters not at all what the source is if the facts are correct.

Welcome to CF, BTW

 

[Ezio Auditore di Firenze]

I am merely saying that the sites in question have ulterior motives and cannot be trusted to be unbiased. Would you trust a link from a Communist newsite or a gay newsite? No, I think not. No more then I would trust the afore mentioned sites.

 

[brindisi]

I am merely saying that the sites in question have ulterior motives and cannot be trusted to be unbiased. Would you trust a link from a Communist newsite or a gay newsite? No, I think not. No more then I would trust the afore mentioned sites.

No, but I don't dismiss things out of hand. I try to verify or refute as best I can from other sources. It's not too difficult to track things back to see if they're accurate or not. That way I have more to offer than "I don't trust that site."

BTW, while I'm not gay, I do trust gaypatriot.net.

 

[Ezio Auditore di Firenze]

I cannot turst any site that promotes war for religous reasons, nor any site that speaks of "protecting moirality from the secular".

 

[brindisi]

I cannot turst any site that promotes war for religous reasons, nor any site that speaks of "protecting moirality from the secular".

That's OK, I can understand that, but even untrusted sources have accurate information at least often enough so that I don't dismiss it out of hand. At least I try to make that the way I go, and, of course sometimes fail.

 

[Yoder777]

Saddam possessed tons and tons of yellowcake uranium and admitted after capture that he planned on restarting his nuclear weapons program. Why wasn't this all over the news?