Gotta munch on the Word"Nonsense" (Cappadocious, post 32) is what you get when you don't know your histories. The Jewish persecution came from the whole world, except Poland and Lithuania. That's basically it.
Nihilism is probably worse than Anti-Semitism, but both are extremely bad. Denying what hitler did is more than just "nonsense" (Habakk), but we live in the Information Age where you can say whatever you want.
Your prose is 1 line, 1 line, 1 line, 1 line, and then a 3 line conclusion. There is no "real" (Cappadocious, post 34) form in what you are saying. RT obviously had something to do with it. But it's not the only thing to blame. There are thousands of different things that led up to the Holocaust.
The "tastiest" (Cappadocious, post 36) thing is the Bible.
Being a Bible Eater.
Ezekiel 3:1
Moreover He said to me, "Son of adam! eat what you find;
eat this scroll! and go speak to the house of Israel."
2 So I opened my mouth, and He caused me to eat that scroll.
Rev 10:9
So I went to the Messenger and said to Him, "Give me the little book."
And he said to me, "Take and eat it! and it will make your stomach bitter,
but it will be as sweet as honey in your mouth."
10 Then I took the little scroll out of the Messenger's hand and ate it, and it was as sweet as honey in my mouth.
But when I had eaten it, my stomach became bitter.
I don't think you understand what replacement theology is talking about.
It isn't the notion that "the Jews killed Jesus".
Seems I read something about that somewhere:I know that it doesnt specifically say that.
Replacement theology denies the promises of God to the Jewish people and the Land of Israel because physical Israel has been replaced by spiritual Israel.
This is the precursor to its misuse and the Jewish people being labelled a cursed people.
National Israel will never again have spiritual significance in this world, all those advantages are forever forfieted, but this was always part of Gods eternal plan and purpose for that people..
matt 21:
42 Jesus saith unto them, "Did ye never read in the scriptures, 'The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes'"?
43 Therefore say I unto ye, the kingdom of God shall be taken from ye, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
National Israel's rejection and curse is final..
Believing that any sort of observation of Jewish feast or belief that is contrary to Christianity for religious reasons is an act of apostacy and heresy isn't Anti-semitic; it is Christian orthodoxy. I'm not going to be bullied by those who don't even know what Anti-semitism is to be fasely accused of it nor to give up the pure, orthodox Christian faith. Not happening.
So please, by all means, all Christian Zionists continue the crusade against me and others with false accusations of Anti-semitism. Persecute us! Jesus the Christ said that I am among the blessed in the Beatitudes by it, and by other sayings, well, we all know them.
No Jew can be a Christian unless he or she abandons Judaism. In actual historic Jewish belief, that person is no longer a Jew. Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel would have a field day with posts like this!
.They are not God's People. They are outside the visible Church and are therefore outside God's grace visibly. Only Christians are God's People in the sense you describe. The Jews forsook Jesus and have been cast out
This is not historic, orthodox Christian teaching. No Jew, least he or she forsakes Judaism and being a Jew and becomes a Christian, is membered in the True Israel. They are outside.
G-d, L-rd, "Yeshua", is all Judaic, not Christian. Reverence is commendable, but Jewish reverence like this has no place among Christians. The Jews are more than welcome to use those terms and if they wish to be good orthodox Jews, I hope that they would! However, for a Christian to use them would violate essential aspects of key Christian theology. That is why I cannot stand it when Christians do such things.
Seems I read something about that somewhere:
http://www.christianforums.com/t7459656-101/
National Israel is cursed forever !
With a little help and support from one of it's strongest ally, the USThe problem is historically the church didn’t contain it’s theology but tried to exercise its own curse on the Jewish people.
The Balfour Declaration had distinct political overtones that caused its implication, even then it was deemed to be a national home not a state. Despite massive and prolonged persecution of the Jewish people, influenced by the church. The establishment of the Jewish people in an extremely hostile and volatile area, with little means to defend themselves. Israel seems to almost miraculously defy the odds against it.
Except it doesn't.I do know that.
Replacement theology denies the promises of God to the Jewish people and the Land of Israel because physical Israel has been replaced by spiritual Israel (the Church). This is the precursor to its misuse and the Jewish people being labelled a cursed people.
Except it doesn't.
The theology pejoratively labelled "replacement theology" says that the Israel of God now exists in the Messiah, as the Body of Christ. There has been no replacement, there is only continuation. That body is made up of both Jews and Gentiles, so there is nothing anti-Jewish about it.
The theology pejoratively labelled "replacement theology" says that the Israel of God now exists in the Messiah, as the Body of Christ. There has been no replacement, there is only continuation. That body is made up of both Jews and Gentiles, so there is nothing anti-Jewish about it.
Add to the list that , in a 95% Catholic town in the USA , the Jews were always spoken of with venom in their words . In the religion classes thrust upon me , the Jews were the main reason for the Lord's death - very little mentioned about *our* sins being the main reason and full innocence on Rome and its soldiers for killing a man their government declared to be not guilty .Thats fine for the armchair theologians but in the real world it has proven to not work like that. Misuse of theology was rampant and without any Christian compassion resulting in real tangible horrors, suffering and inhuman atrocities.
1826 Pope Leo decreed that Jews were to be confined to ghettoes and their property confiscated.
1826 Pope Pius X said Jews have not recognised our Lord; therefore we cannot recognise the Jewish people.
In the 19th century the Roman Catholic Church made a distinction between good and bad anti Semitism. Catholic bishops wrote much condemning the Jews.
1921 A Vatican spokesman said the Catholic Church did not wish to assist the Jewish race which is permeated with a rebellious spirit.
1925 At a conference in Innsbruck Austria, Roman Catholic Bishop Sigismund Waitz said Jews were an alien people.
1939 Josef Tiso, a Catholic priest began exporting Jews to Nazi concentration camps. He said, It is Christian action to expel the Jews, because it is for the good of the people getting rid of the pests.
A very very small example of sixteen centuries of Jewish persecution by orthodox Christians. Fuelled by bad or misused theology. Denying the Jewish people their freedom because they collectively denied the Lord and killed the savoir. A precursor of bad or misused theology that cumulated in an attempted to wipe out the entire Jewish nation in the final solution.
So what? This has nothing to do with the thread.Thats fine for the armchair theologians but in the real world it has proven to not work like that. Misuse of theology was rampant and without any Christian compassion resulting in real tangible horrors, suffering and inhuman atrocities.
1826 Pope Leo decreed that Jews were to be confined to ghettoes and their property confiscated.
1826 Pope Pius X said Jews have not recognised our Lord; therefore we cannot recognise the Jewish people.
In the 19th century the Roman Catholic Church made a distinction between good and bad anti Semitism. Catholic bishops wrote much condemning the Jews.
1921 A Vatican spokesman said the Catholic Church did not wish to assist the Jewish race which is permeated with a rebellious spirit.
1925 At a conference in Innsbruck Austria, Roman Catholic Bishop Sigismund Waitz said Jews were an alien people.
1939 Josef Tiso, a Catholic priest began exporting Jews to Nazi concentration camps. He said, It is Christian action to expel the Jews, because it is for the good of the people getting rid of the pests.
A very very small example of sixteen centuries of Jewish persecution by orthodox Christians. Fuelled by bad or misused theology. Denying the Jewish people their freedom because they collectively denied the Lord and killed the savoir. A precursor of bad or misused theology that cumulated in an attempted to wipe out the entire Jewish nation in the final solution.
So, what does that got to do with this thread?Add to the list that , in a 95% Catholic town in the USA , the Jews were always spoken of with venom in their words . In the religion classes thrust upon me , the Jews were the main reason for the Lord's death - very little mentioned about *our* sins being the main reason and full innocence on Rome and its soldiers for killing a man their government declared to be not guilty .
You guy's are great in pointing out the Christian error, show what you got in ways of the faults of the Jew.