Proof "Queen of Heaven" IS actually Pagan. And Mary was NOT sinless.

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So what, he denies her request. Does that make her less queenly?
In the context of RC's point of view, no. RC trots her out as the mediatrix who cannot fail with Jesus. But oops. Another scripture contradicting RC Tradition. Mary is not a fool proof way to Christ. You don't need a "queen in heaven" so called to have the ear of the king.

Incidentally, that is a pagan idea; that is, those in heaven are closer to God, have His ear moreso than those on earth.
 
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The thing to understand about Mary's sinlessness is that it is a gift from God, not her own piety.

If so, why does not God give this gift to all humanity? Does He not want all to be sinless or does He delight in the fallen state of humanity?
 
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So what, he denies her request. Does that make her less queenly?
The post to which you're replying ignores the fact that Bathsheba wandered into the king's court without an appointment, didn't really pay him the customary homage and pretty much stated her request. The king could fulfill her request if he chose to but there are rights associated with being the queen mother in Israel (and other royal courts) that we've lost in our transitions from monarchy to democracy which have further enabled Protestants to deny the reality of Our Lady's queenship. There's a tendency among modern audiences to interpret "Queen" as meaning "Vice President" or something when in fact her station was quite different from that.
 
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In the context of RC's point of view, no. RC trots her out as the mediatrix who cannot fail with Jesus.
You got that a bit wrong, sorry. She's the mediatrix who cannot fail without Jesus.
But oops. Another scripture contradicting RC Tradition. Mary is not a fool proof way to Christ. You don't need a "queen in heaven" so called to have the ear of the king.
I don't need to eat McDonald's either, but I did last night. Regardless of what you need, Mary is there to assist.
Incidentally, that is a pagan idea; that is, those in heaven are closer to God, have His ear moreso than those on earth.
No, it's not. Let me ask you a question...when Jesus was baptized in the Jordan, did the water bless Him, or did He bless the water?
 
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If so, why does not God give this gift to all humanity? Does He not want all to be sinless or does He delight in the fallen state of humanity?
Because Mary was special. She said Yes to God and bore His Son. God knew this from the beginning.
 
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You're a bit late to the party. All my posts have been addressed by others a few weeks ago - which I have appreciated.
Then you don't need to re-read them. But others are interested...:)
 
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You got that a bit wrong, sorry. She's the mediatrix who cannot fail without Jesus.
Like I said, and like you're apparently agreeing with your double negative, the example of Solomon and Bathsheba shows she failed. It's simply a poor example of the belief that Mary cannot fail or rather it shows, as you say, that Mary can fail with Jesus, like Bathsheba did with Solomon.
 
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Like I said, and like you're apparently agreeing with your double negative, the example of Solomon and Bathsheba shows she failed. It's simply a poor example of the belief that Mary cannot fail or rather it shows, as you say, that Mary can fail with Jesus, like Bathsheba did with Solomon.
It doesn't matter the result between Bathsheba and Solomon. What matters is her unfettered access and lack of need of protocol. Mary being queen of Heaven doesn't mean she cannot fail. Because of Jesus. I admit, I said that wrong. Mary can not fail, only because of Jesus, God.
 
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It doesn't matter the result between Bathsheba and Solomon. What matters is her unfettered access and lack of need of protocol. Mary being queen of Heaven doesn't mean she cannot fail. Because of Jesus. I admit, I said that wrong. Mary can not fail, only because of Jesus, God.
I understand you believe Mary cannot fail because of Jesus. But your (RC) example of Solomon and Bathsheba fails as a queen mother to son king example. Bathsheba requested a man be given a wife and Solomon had the man killed. You'll have to look elsewhere than scripture to support your belief (queen mother cannot fail in her requests to king son).
 
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I understand you believe Mary cannot fail because of Jesus. But your (RC) example of Solomon and Bathsheba fails as a queen mother to son king example. Bathsheba requested a man be given a wife and Solomon had the man killed. You'll have to look elsewhere than scripture to support your belief (queen mother cannot fail in her requests to king son).
The example doesn't fail. But Mary is queen of heaven because Jesus is King of Kings, so his mother is queen.
 
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And the Holy Spirit is the Spouse of the Queen. Sadly, God the Father seems to have no title in heaven.
What, God of the Universe isn't good enough for you?
 
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Hmmmm. I cannot find any such title used in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. If it isn't there, then it must not be good enough for the Catholic Church, either.
Why does God need a title? But I will play...Straight from the Catechism, hat tip to the Nicene Creed "GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY, CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH." In so many words, "God of the Universe".
 
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Why does God need a title? But I will play...Straight from the Catechism, hat tip to the Nicene Creed "GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY, CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH." In so many words, "God of the Universe".

I will reminds you that I am not the one who determined that various individuals in heaven needed titles. I am perfectly content with Mary for who she is, not some imaginary Queen of Heaven. However, it seems that your church feels a need to give titles of a non-biblical nature to Mary, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
 
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I will reminds you that I am not the one who determined that various individuals in heaven needed titles. I am perfectly content with Mary for who she is, not some imaginary Queen of Heaven. However, it seems that your church feels a need to give titles of a non-biblical nature to Mary, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
So are you saying that Jesus is not king in His kingdom?
 
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So are you saying that Jesus is not king in His kingdom?

What I am saying is simply that the title, "King of Heaven" is never used in the Bible.

It is a theological construct to create the title and to apply it to an individual. IMO it is rather sloppy theology to apply it to the Son, unless the Father has died, thereby opening the throne to the Son, as in the much-abused analogy of Solomon and Bathsheba. It is better theology to state that God, the LORD, is King of Heaven and that Jesus Christ, His Son, would be Prince. However, in doing so, that puts Mary in an extremely awkward and embarrassing position, does it not?
 
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