InnerPhyre
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Maybe they'll throw in some Islam stuff into the Creed, IP!? Just open the Catholic catechism. They love Islam! Allahu Akbar!
That may be going a bit far.
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Maybe they'll throw in some Islam stuff into the Creed, IP!? Just open the Catholic catechism. They love Islam! Allahu Akbar!
You must be "anti-Catholic," too because you laughed!
We wont, unless we had to recite it in greek in whose case that would be the accurate reading but as long as we recite it in Spanish, Italian, english etc. etc. and we use the verb "Procede" in stead of "Emanate" the accurate reading is "Procedes from the Father and the Son", but if the verb is changed to "Emanate" as the meaning of the Greek text, then we can say "Emanates from the Father", we may add "through the Son"
I had a feeling this was coming sooner or later, both leaders are great Christians, but I'm sure most Orthodox will not like this announcement. Don't all the Bishops need to agree to a council in the EOC, rather than just the EP? I know he can call a council, but I wonder who will show up.
Yes, that's what they teach now.
Catechism of the Council of Trent, Article VIII:
With regard to the words immediately succeeding: who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, the faithful are to be taught that the Holy Ghost proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son, as from one principle. This truth is proposed for our belief by the Creed of the Church, from which no Christian may depart, and is confirmed by the authority of the Sacred Scriptures and of Councils.
By all means, keep changing the Symbol of Faith on a whim. The West is changing everything else every time the wind blows in a different direction.
Don't forget the separation of the elements in the Eucharistyou can prolly add stuff like indulgences and Limbo to the list as well. I think that manditory celibate clergy will be next on the old temporory chopping block.
and 4th Lateran council:
We firmly believe and simply confess that there is only one true God, eternal and immeasurable, almighty, unchangeable, incomprehensible and ineffable, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, three persons but one absolutely simple essence, substance or nature. The Father is from none, the Son from the Father alone, and the Holy Spirit from both equally, eternally without beginning or end.
and 2nd Council of Lyon
We profess faithfully and devotedly that the Holy Spirit proceeds eternally from the Father and the Son, not as from two principles, but as from one principle; not by two spirations, but by one single spiration.....we, wishing to close the way to such errors, with the approval of the sacred council, condemn and reprove all who presume to deny that the Holy Spirit proceeds eternally from the Father and the Son, or rashly to assert that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son as from two principles and not as from one.
you can prolly add stuff like indulgences and Limbo to the list as well. I think that manditory celibate clergy will be next on the old temporory chopping block.
To be honest, I think a lot of Catholic laity in the U.S. would not mind those changes at all. Have indulgences been used since the Reformation era? I think I learned more about Limbo from studying Dante than my confirmation classes. As for mandatory celibate clergy, I think the financial aspects of such a transition would delay such an endeavor.
yeah, but that is not the issue. the issue is that it seems that too much stuff in Catholicism can be changed on a dime. indulgences were "brought back" by JPII and I think somewhat lessened under Benedict XVI. Limbo was done away with by Benedict XVI, but there is no doubt it at least was a very common belief back in the day. all these changes make whatever they wanna do at Nicaea seem shallow at best, with nothing actually getting done.
I don't think this is an accurate or charitable assessment of Pope Francis.Then enter Pope Francis, a liberal's ultimate dream. He could care less about liturgical reform of Benedict and he could care less about the moral toughness of John Paul II. He's cozying up to the LGBTers, blasts capitalism, sticks foot in mouth, and has the ugly ecumenical stuff JP2 liked. Worst of all worlds imho.
Like I said, if reunion were to take place, and it won't, there is only one outcome that could be accepted---total, utter, unequivocal, absolute conversion of the West to Holy Orthodoxy dropping the papal innovations, dropping purgatory and indulgences, dropping the horrendous liturgy, dumping the filioque, and hopefully returning the Eucharist from the cardboard-tasting mass-produced discs to the Bread of Christ
The only thing I think Orthodoxy can truly learn from Catholicism is how to run charities. Honestly Catholic Charities are first-rate, incredible, awesome in how they minister to the poor and disenfranchised. We could also benefit from their pro-life zeal.
I don't think this is an accurate or charitable assessment of Pope Francis.
yep, and that's just the start.
yep, and have more Orthodox schools, hospitals, and universities.