Yes, you are correct that there are those who have openly stated that if anyone voices an opinion that is not in conformity with the popular mythology of the Left, that he or she should be prosecuted. This has been stated openly and recently. Obama apparently feels this way himself.Sorry this is the case more so in my country Australia Though I have heard Obama mention the issue.
OK, but those are countries that do not operate according to the standards we Americans or Aussies value. I didn't think you were referring to them.China is banning many Muslims practices and Russia is doing the same. I think Angola has banned Islam completely and other countries are stopping the building of Mosques and certain other practices.
Sure, but that's not a proposal to outlaw Islam in this country. It's a proposal to screen prospective immigrants, which both your country and my country have done routinely in past years.We have had many calling to stop immigration of refugees from countries like Syria because they may harbor Muslim extremist.
I have heard calls to have religion in general taken out of public life. They come from secularists and atheists. But you didn't mention that. You said there were voices calling, in the West, for a certain religion (Islam) not to exist. I haven't heard anyone making that call.But I dont want to just focus on this. I am surprised you havnt heard of the calls to have religion in general taken out of public life in secular society.
Well, that's always been forbidden (by our Constitution) in this country anyway. The push by secularists for a religion-free society is a different matter.This is based on the legislation that have been slowly introduced that say no single religion should be adopted by secular society.
How can we verify any prophecy? The Bible is a collection of stories that were apparently witnessed and recorded by men. What is stopping a writer inserting a little twist to the story which enables a so called prophecy to suddenly become true.
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Its something that I think will gradually creep up. Its not so much banning them completely at the moment but they are banning certain practices which are an important part of Islam so its almost saying they can be themselves in the west and now will have restrictions on their beliefs. When the Muslims want to build a new Mosque now there is a lot of objections like not in my backyard from people. If it were a Catholic church there would be no problems.What I was asking about concerned whom you might have had in mind in the case of a proposal that Islam shouldn't be allowed to exist, etc. THAT's one that I haven't heard of.
Well it is also coming from the western countries but it is a little more restrained at the moment. Because they are free democratic societies they will hesitate to be so intolerant. But it wont be a total ban to begin with but a gradual restriction. But countries like Russia who do allow religious practices are more forth right and they are taking firmer action and many are applauding them.OK, but those are countries that do not operate according to the standards we Americans or Aussies value. I didn't think you were referring to them.
Its not outlawing Islam straight up. But each little act of restriction is denying some their rights. There is a trend towards restricting Islam and their practices.Sure, but that's not a proposal to outlaw Islam in this country. It's a proposal to screen prospective immigrants, which both your country and my country have done routinely in past years.
The call for all religion to be taken out of society will follow. This is all linked and it is to do with secular views. Mainstream society is slowly eroding Christian beliefs away. It wasn't that long ago that we based our societies on Christian ideas such as with marriage and family. Now that is overtaken by the new pluralism and all inclusive views of secular society. So really we have no foundation for our morals and its based on whatever the most powerful and persuasive people or groups are. Because secular society cant take any sides it ends up with no position at all.I have heard calls to have religion in general taken out of public life. They come from secularists and atheists. But you didn't mention that. You said there were voices calling, in the West, for a certain religion (Islam) not to exist. I haven't heard anyone making that call.
They probably wont ban it all together. Thats not how it works when they want to get rid of something. They will make policies and regulations that will virtually make it harder to practice and irrelevant to society. Thats a more subtle way of fazing religion out. But I also think there is a anti religious view out there as well from the new modern atheist movements.Well, that's always been forbidden (by our Constitution) in this country anyway. The push by secularists for a religion-free society is a different matter.
I see. It's a prediction, then.Its something that I think will gradually creep up.
All right, but the suggestion that it is being called for right now is what caused me to question the comment.Its not outlawing Islam straight up.
This--as opposed to the Moslem stuff--I can agree is underway. What I don't find persuasive is the linking of Islamic terrorism with the "Freedom from Religion" movement of Atheists, etc. that has been gaining in audacity and experiencing some success at the same time as people are worried about Islamic immigration and violence.The call for all religion to be taken out of society will follow. This is all linked and it is to do with secular views. Mainstream society is slowly eroding Christian beliefs away. It wasn't that long ago that we based our societies on Christian ideas such as with marriage and family. Now that is overtaken by the new pluralism and all inclusive views of secular society. So really we have no foundation for our morals and its based on whatever the most powerful and persuasive people or groups are. Because secular society cant take any sides it ends up with no position at all.
How then do you explain your position when or if asked: Why do you not believe in {insert the god(s) of any other religion here} ?
Its a prediction based on whats happening now. Its more or less a natural progression. But i dont think anyone will outright ban Islam in one go as it is happening bit by bit. many countries have banned the burqa. Some are stopping the building of more Mosque or making it harder to get permissions. many people are having the attitude of not in my back yard. So everytime there is an extreme act of terror we can expect more people to start calling for Islam to be restricted.I see. It's a prediction, then.
I was initially saying that some are calling for Islam to be restricted. But there are some who want it banned altogether. Like I said no one will allow it to be banned outright straight away.All right, but the suggestion that it is being called for right now is what caused me to question the comment.
Its not so much the extreme acts of some Muslims but the fallout which is reflected on all Muslims. People then blame all Muslims and the Islamic beliefs in general for causing the problems we have with conflicts between western societies and Islam. It just gives fuel to those who say religion should all be fazed out as it doesn't give religion a good name.This--as opposed to the Moslem stuff--I can agree is underway. What I don't find persuasive is the linking of Islamic terrorism with the "Freedom from Religion" movement of Atheists, etc. that has been gaining in audacity and experiencing some success at the same time as people are worried about Islamic immigration and violence.
I believe the Bible is inspired by a one and only true God, with a name, Yahweh, I don't believe those other religious texts are inspired by God, but are mans inventions...
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