Hello, hate to be the one to break the belated news to anybody but we are at war with the Taliban. This was simply an act of war.
Once again the Obama administration proves that it is evil.
This is one of the most offensive and bigoted statements I have seen on CF in a long long time.
So when some agency (not the CIA because they work on foreign issues, maybe the FBI and/or ATF- they've done it before) decides that I am a threat because I own guns and dislike the government and kills me without a trial will that be an act of war too?
So when some agency (not the CIA because they work on foreign issues, maybe the FBI and/or ATF- they've done it before) decides that I am a threat because I own guns and dislike the government and kills me without a trial will that be an act of war too?
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
How are they different situations? When did the words in the constitution become completely meaningless?
It doesn't matter where in the world he was. He wasn't in the military so he is not subject to military law. He was a US citizen with the rights and privileges thereof. I don't care what they say he did. If they can ignore his rights they can ignore yours and mine. If you support the sanctioned murder of this man by a government agency you support tyranny.
And the scale is based on the amount of freedom that you risk losing. Is execution no longer to be considered a significant restriction of freedom? I guess we don't need trials for people accused of capital crimes then. That will certainly be a relief to the "justice" system.
Can you justify the sanctioned, intentional killing of a United States citizen not engaged in combat by the federal government without due process? I can't.
If you don't care about that man's constitutional rights I wonder how much you care about your own.
want to point to the DoJ or DoD guidelines that say that?
you're not going to get personal, are you?
That's quite a dodge. If you are arguing that the killing was justified it is up to you to prove it. Go ahead and do that like I asked you to before. I'll go ahead and prove that it is not justified as soon as you prove there is not a teapot orbiting Earth.
U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease - NYTimes.com
I guess its okay for the CIA to assassinate US citizens these days.
This should scare the beeheebers outta us.......there is NO rationale for doing something like that. It doesn't matter what he is accused of doing.
you have a very poor record of debating here.
so I'm not going to let you create strawmen.
you are criticizing a government policy for the CIA
-- but you don't actually seem to know what that policy states, so you're making something up.
either you can state what due process you think is missing from the DoJ and DoD guidelines or you can't.
but first you have to know what the guidelines are, and you don't.
right? you don't actually know what you're talking about.No, you see, I don't know what you are talking about, because you absolutely refuse to substantiate your argument.
link to them.
That's YOUR JOB.
how about you? do you have a link to the government's guidelines?
That's YOUR JOB.
it looks like they want to kill an enemy living in al qaeda land,
He's a US citizen. What part about that do you not understand?
not standing on your front lawn.
Timothy McVeigh wasn't on my front lawn either. Should we have sent a drone to get him?
the sooner al-Awlaki meets a Hellfire missile the better.
I could say the same about you, what's the difference? This is not a rational argument. You accused me of "making it personal" but here you are attempting to justify the unlawful murder of a US citizen by the government based on the fact that you don't like the person that was murdered.
Is that the basis of your argument? "I don't like him so it's OK that the federal government killed a citizen without due process"? If that is the argument then, as I have already said, based on your logic your rights are moot. If that is the justification for this killing then it is equally as justifiable for the government to kill anyone it wants with no accountability. Is that your argument? If not then let's see your justification that you have thus far refused to reveal. But don't bother continuing this discussion unless you approach it with logic and prove your competency in debate.
You can't be "at war" with a non nation state.Hello, hate to be the one to break the belated news to anybody but we are at war with the Taliban. This was simply an act of war.