North American churches should each have their own currency!

[IanCG]

Good points Dan! Yes, this is much like an agreement among participants to purchase each other's services! Every barter currency in existence at this time operates on that principle but....if churches get into this things go to another level because only a group of churches could for example sponsor a reality film project....where perhaps homeless people....became actors....starring as homeless people...and church workers became actors attempting to figure out an effective way to help them to solve their specific problems!

If human life has infinite value to God it is theoretically possible to come up with a much better monetary policy than what we have at this time.

I saw an episode of Sid Roth last summer where his guest spoke about seeing a vision of several foreign nations getting together and conspiring to devalue the USA Dollar. What Pastor Shane Warren saw happen next would remind you of what happened in the Weimar Republic of Germany previous to WWII. Interestingly Pastor Warren was shown that at this time the church would arise and be the greatest source of real help to desperate people. What I am advocating is getting some practice before things get rough...just in case the vision is a genuine warning from God!!!!


Shane Warren - America - Sid Roth - It's Supernatural

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I'm sure they have the best of intentions, just like these guys.

Pyramid Scam, Level: God - Imgur

 

[DennisTate]

The problem tackled in your story was a liquidity crunch - there wasn't money available. We had somethign sort of like this during the economic crisis, but that was mainly involving loans; there was still plenty of money in circulation.



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-Dan.

One of the major problems with the way we have the economy set up at this time is that compound interest over time will tend to bankrupt our governments....which is a great thing for a segment of society who would tend to regard active unions as one of the greatest evils!?!?

Chapter 34 — The Public-Debt Problem

Chapter 34 — The Public-Debt Problem
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(An article of Alain Pilote, first published in the July-August, 1986 issue of the Michael Journal.)
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To understand this, let us divide the economic system into two parts: the producing system and the financial system. The example is taken from Louis Even's parable, The Money Myth Exploded: On the one side, there are five shipwrecked people on an island, who produce all the necessities of life, and on the other side, a banker, who lends them money. To simplify this example, let us say there is only one borrower on behalf of the community; we'll call him Paul.

Paul decides, on behalf of the community, to borrow a certain amount of money from the banker, an amount sufficient for business in the little community, say $100, at 6% interest. At the end of the year, Paul must pay the bank an interest of 6%, that is to say, $6. 100 minus 6 = 94, so there is $94 left in circulation on the island. But the $100-debt remains. The $100-loan is therefore renewed for another year, and another $6 of interest is due at the end of the second year. 94 minus 6, leaves $88 in circulation. If Paul continues to pay $6 in interest each year, by the seventeenth year there will be no more money left in circulation on the island. But the debt will still be $100, and the banker will be authorized to seize all the properties of the island's inhabitants.
Production has increased on the island, but not the money supply. It is not products that the banker wants, but money. The island's inhabitants were making products, but not money. Only the banker has the right to create money. So, it seems that Paul wasn't wise to pay the interest yearly.
Let us go back to the beginning of our example. At the end of the first year, Paul chooses not to pay the interest, but to borrow it from the banker, thereby increasing the loan principal to $106. “No problem,” says the banker, “the interest on the additional $6 is only 36 cents; it is peanuts in comparison with the $106 loan!” So the debt at the end of the second year is: $106 plus the interest at 6% of $106, $6.36, for a total debt of $112.36 after two years. At the end of the fifth year, the debt is $133.82 and the interest is $7.57. “It is not so bad,” thinks Paul, “the interest has only increased by $1.57 in five years. We can handle that.” But what will the situation be like after 50 years?

The debt increase is moderate in the early years, but the debt increases very fast with time to unbelievably big numbers. And note, the debt increases each year, but the original borrowed principal (amount of money in circulation) always remains the same. At no time can the debt be paid off with the money that exists in circulation, not even at the end of the first year: there is only $100 in circulation, and a debt of $106 remains. And at the end of the fiftieth year, all the money in circulation ($100) won't even pay the interest due on the debt: $104.26.

 

[DennisTate]

I'm sure they have the best of intentions, just like these guys.

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OK, that is a good point!

And yes.....if churches do take this initiative there will be cases where it will be abused.....but still the benefits far outweigh the risks of churches NOT taking this type of action!!!!!!!

 

[DennisTate]

Ooo Disney dollars.

If a church currency unit could be used to at least partly finance documentary, reality, sem-reality or true to life film projects.......partly through assisting talented Christians to cooperate....then their value could soon be even greater than Disney Dollars!!??

I just watched a YouTube video that definitely would make a great full length movie produced for a TV audience:


http://www.torontosun.com/videos/fe...grasseschi-is-marching-for-life/2264442278001

Faytene Grasseschi is marching for life

Pro-life activist Faytene Grasseschi joins Brian Lilley to discuss her upcoming walk from Montreal to Canada's Supreme Court in Ottawa to protest 25 years of abortion lawlessness in Canada.

 

[DennisTate]

I'm sure they have the best of intentions, just like these guys.

[......]Pyramid Scam, Level: God - Imgur[/url]

I personally believe that God wants His people to begin to think differently.....to get the bigger picture.......and ask of God truly colossal mountain moving miracles that will give the Bride of Messiah more and more influence in the affairs of all nations!!!!!

Here is how I worded this to an online friend a few moments ago who is raising money for various missionary projects:

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Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua at any moment can inspire a small nation somewhere to get involved in bigger plan to produce documentary, reality films that reach out to all the nations of the earth.........and address some of the biggest problems facing all of humanity....and do it at the same time!

A week or so ago my wife organized a Zumba fundraiser for orphans in Zimbabwe....they raised over $2000 which in the Zimbabwe dollar turns out to be: 92 quadrillion 233 trillion dollars!!!!!

If several churches were to get together and purchase that amount of Zimbabwe dollars.......all in Zimbabwe $50,000 notes for example.......it is theoretically possible to initiate a plan to stabilize and raise and raise and raise the value of the national currency unit of Zimbabwe.....or perhaps Uganda.......through the production of films that would be of interest in many many nations!!!???......



http://www.christianforums.com/t7735229/
Unified Theory of Modern World Problems??!!

 

[RisingSpirit]

North American churches should each have their own currency!

Already here ! What cha wait'in for? Use bitcoins !

What is Bitcoin? - YouTube

 

[RisingSpirit]

 

[DennisTate]

Already here ! What cha wait'in for? Use bitcoins !

What is Bitcoin? - YouTube

Thank you for this website link RisingSpirit!

This does look promising!


.weusecoins.com/en/merchant-tools

What are the benefits for Merchants?

 

[RisingSpirit]

...What are the benefits for Merchants?

Maybe you can view what others are doing at this link

 

[DennisTate]

For right or wrong, the U.S. doesn't want to allow that. Check out:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/u...his-fate-behind-bars.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

We had a group in the U.S. stamping coins of HARD CURRENCY, the Liberty Dollar. The FBI raided them for "counterfeiting", confiscated millions in hard cash, and the leader is being tried on criminal charges. Bear in mind, unlike the United States government he used real gold and silver in his coins. And the whole crime behind counterfeiting is that you are paying for real goods with something that is worthless. Not so here--it's the exact opposite. He had real gold and silver. You would think that if you have silver in your possession that you can do whatever you want with it.

I personally am of the belief that the guy who promoted Liberty Dollars did it in such a way that he may have invited trouble......but yes.......there are of course people who would be fearful of what he was beginning and would want to make an example out of him?????!!!!!

Here is a quotation from one of the official Christian Heritage Party of Canada groups that I participate on that really grabbed my attention???!!!

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Are these statistics given by Mr. Ken Quick correct?????????!!!! If so.......then no wonder we Liberals got creamed in the 2011 election????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"The fact is that man made emissions of CO2 annually are LESS THAN 2% OF THE TOTAL CO2 RELEASED into the atmosphere each year. The majority is from naturally occurring biological activity. That means that if mankind were wiped out tomorrow, that would only reduce CO2 by an insignificant amount. Yet we have environmentalists talking about spending trillions of dollars and implementing a plethora of business killing regulations."
(Ken Quick)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/CHP...nt_id=10151480962041485&notif_t=group_comment

 

[LogicDreamer]

For right or wrong, the U.S. doesn't want to allow that. Check out:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/u...his-fate-behind-bars.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

We had a group in the U.S. stamping coins of HARD CURRENCY, the Liberty Dollar. The FBI raided them for "counterfeiting", confiscated millions in hard cash, and the leader is being tried on criminal charges. Bear in mind, unlike the United States government he used real gold and silver in his coins. And the whole crime behind counterfeiting is that you are paying for real goods with something that is worthless. Not so here--it's the exact opposite. He had real gold and silver. You would think that if you have silver in your possession that you can do whatever you want with it.

Because no developed nation operates off of the gold standard or a bartering economy, that would harm the market. Anyone with a basic understanding of modern economics would realize that.

 

[DennisTate]

Because no developed nation operates off of the gold standard or a bartering economy, that would harm the market. Anyone with a basic understanding of modern economics would realize that.

LogicDreamer.....do you personally think that God may be interested in intervening in the world economy to prove that God rules in the affairs of men?


http://www.christianforums.com/t7672392/

Prophecy for America, money devalued, earthquake then revival for church?!
Yesterday evening I caught the last half of one of the most powerful episodes of Sid Roth that I have ever seen. His guest was Shane Warren.

In a visionary dream Mr. Warren was shown a hurricane all over the USA...but it was raining money! He was shown that this meant the devaluation of the USA dollar. He was shown foreign leaders conspiring to devalue the dollar through manipulation.

Later he was shown a massive earthquake in the USA. He heard the words that because we participated in the dividing of His land....our land would also be divided!

After this he was shown a massive revival of the church as congregations became one of the only places where people could actually receive assistance with their massive problems?!



Shane Warren - America - Sid Roth - It's Supernatural

Guest: Shane Warren
July 9-15, 2012

We are seeing Bible prophecy fulfilled everyday on TV newscasts and in our newspapers! Wars & rumors of wars. The shaking of the global economy. The threat of Muslim extremism. Find the outpouring of God's blessing in your life as America comes under judgment. Don't be SURPRISED this comes before the Rapture. Learn how to thrive even in trying times!
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Do you agree that the way that America treats Israel can truly come back to haunt us in A BIG WAY?????

 

[DennisTate]

Daniel 4:17 This matter [is] by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

 

[DennisTate]

I just watched this episode again this morning. From the seventeen minute mark onward what he was shown about the devaluation of the USA dollar sure does fit with what many experts are warning about.

George Soros would be one example!!!!!!!!


http://sidroth.org/television/tv-archives/shane-warren-america
July 9, 2012
We are seeing Bible prophecy fulfilled everyday on TV newscasts and in our newspapers! Wars & rumors of wars. The shaking of the global economy. The threat of Muslim extremism. Find the outpouring of God's blessing in your life as America comes under judgment. Don't be SURPRISED this comes before the Rapture. Learn how to thrive even in trying times!

 

[DennisTate]

Because no developed nation operates off of the gold standard or a bartering economy, that would harm the market. Anyone with a basic understanding of modern economics would realize that.

It is possible that there could be perhaps a five percent or so decrease in the market by the introduction of a church currency unit.... but the increase in the productivity of various groups such as the homeless who are willing to work at some project.... could be astonishing!!!

The existing market system discards a high percentage of highly capable people.

 

[DennisTate]

Ecclesiastes 10:19
"A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things."


King Solomon was indeed an astonishingly intelligent and wise man!!!!!!

 

[DennisTate]

Wasn't Jesus furious at the Temple MONEYCHANGERS? Just a thought.

Since you have lived in South America you must be well aware of what is happening in Venezuela.

This idea of churches printing money......and shooting films that address specific problems..... and using the church money as a prop that is useful to at least some of the stars in their reality films........ is one of the best ways that I can think of that we might be able to assist the people of Venezuela in a larger way!

 

[DennisTate]

For right or wrong, the U.S. doesn't want to allow that. Check out:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/u...his-fate-behind-bars.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

We had a group in the U.S. stamping coins of HARD CURRENCY, the Liberty Dollar. The FBI raided them for "counterfeiting", confiscated millions in hard cash, and the leader is being tried on criminal charges. Bear in mind, unlike the United States government he used real gold and silver in his coins. And the whole crime behind counterfeiting is that you are paying for real goods with something that is worthless. Not so here--it's the exact opposite. He had real gold and silver. You would think that if you have silver in your possession that you can do whatever you want with it.

Pastor Shane Warren was given a dream about a hurricane of money..... that he understood as the devaluation of the USA dollar......… a State currency unit could play a significant role in "standing in the gap"... One of the most likely states to print up a currency unit .... would be Utah!

At first a Utah dollar would be well below the USA dollar for stability and strength.... but if the vision given to Pastor Warren....... was from God.... then at the time of the devaluation.......... Utah Dollars could be used to purchase USA dollars.... printed previous to a particular date......… and some upheaval in some lives could surely be decreased!!!???


Sid Roth Its Supernatural Shane Warren I Have Seen the Future of America - YouTube

.... the statements about the hurricane of money is at the 19 minute mark in the film....

 

[DennisTate]

Because no developed nation operates off of the gold standard or a bartering economy, that would harm the market. Anyone with a basic understanding of modern economics would realize that.

In my opinion..... Utah is the American State that would be most likely willing to introduce a Utah State dollar...… during a time of crisis a Utah Dollar could be used to buy up USA dollars that perhaps has been printed previous to a certain date.... which could assist many families and help them to avoid some of the worst difficulties associated with the devaluation of the dollar....

.examiner.com/article/george-soros-says-that-america-must-give-up-the-dollar-and-accept-world-currency

"George Soros says that America must give up the dollar and accept world currency."

 

[DennisTate]

What is now happening between China and Qatar makes the necessity for churches to print their own local currencies even greater.

.examiner.com/article/china-signs-currency-swap-deal-with-qatar-the-heart-of-petro-dollar-system

China signs currency swap deal with Qatar in the heart of petro-dollar system

The petro-dollar system is the heart and soul of America's domination over the global reserve currency, and their right to make all nations have to purchase U.S. dollars to be able to buy oil in the open market. Bound through an agreement with Saudi Arabia and OPEC in 1973, this de facto standard has lasted for over 41 years and has been the driving force behind America's economic, political, and military power.

But on Nov. 3 a new chink in the petro-dollar system was forged as China signed an agreement with Qatar to begin direct currency swaps between the two nations using the Yuan, and establishing the foundation for new direct trade with the OPEC nation in the very heart of the petro-dollar system.

While this new agreement between China and Qatar is only for the equivalent of $5.7 billion over the next three years, Qatar becomes the 24th nation to open its Forex market to the Chinese currency, and solidifies acceptance of the Yuan as a viable option for the future in the Middle East.