My FTS Challenge

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

... Evolutionary scientists make this stuff called powdered milk...

No, they don't. In the USA it's made by members of the American Dairy Products Institute, mainly dairies & creameries.

 

[Chesterton]

No, they don't. In the USA it's made by members of the American Dairy Products Institute, mainly dairies & creameries.

I said, we don't discreaminate.

 

[Chesterton]

discriminate

 

[Subduction Zone]

I do ... and it's a ... well ... not well thought-out reply.

It was a better thought out reply than you gave.

If it's true, then what happened to the universe that God made in six days?

Never happened. The evidence tells us that that is a morality tale at best.

Are you saying there are two universes?First of all, the Bible says He is invisible ... and that means He is ... well ... invisible.

Nope. What gave you that idea?

Second of all, science is myopic.

Funny, you have never been able to show that.

Thirdly, even if He wasn't invisible, what is His name?

Who? You seem to be assuming the existence of something that you have not shown to exist. The person making a positive claim has the burden of proof. How many years have you been utterly failing at doing so has it been now?

If I wanted to find the Loch Ness Monster, I wouldn't be asking around about Big Foot.

Bad analogy since no one has been doing anything like that. And it ignores the fact that the burden of proof for claiming the Loch Ness monster exists is upon those that claim that it is real.

Perhaps you should avoid analogies altogether. For some reason most creationists just don't have the knack for using them correctly

 

[AV1611VET]

Never happened.

Well I'm glad you can admit that an ex nihilo universe can't coexist with a self-existent one.

 

[Paul Finch]

Well I'm glad you can admit that an ex nihilo universe can't coexist with a self-existent one.

No one in their right mind would.
You must live in a wonderland of magic and mystery.

 

[AV1611VET]

You must live in a wonderland of magic and mystery.

Why?

I don't believe in a self-existent universe either.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well I'm glad you can admit that an ex nihilo universe can't coexist with a self-existent one.

Your version of the origin of the universe never happened. I did not say anything more than that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your version of the origin of the universe never happened.

So the universe is self-existent?

 

[Speedwell]

So the universe is self-existent?

Not known. But wherever it came from, it wasn't formed over a few days in 4004 BC. That possibility has already been eliminated.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So the universe is self-existent?

Can't say for sure. It may be, it may not be. The problem with your version of the universe is that it is self contradicting. It is best to work with what we do know and go from there.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not known. But wherever it came from, it wasn't formed over a few days in 4004 BC. That possibility has already been eliminated.

What I'm addressing, is the point that, if God can be self-existent, then the universe can as well.

Which, of course, would mean there are two universes: a self-existent one, and one that God created in six days.

 

[Speedwell]

What I'm addressing, is the point that, if God can be self-existent, then the universe can as well.

Which, of course, would mean there are two universes: a self-existent one, and one that God created in six days.

No, there is only one that we know of, though its ultimate origin is unknown. The universe that God created in six days is just a story in a book.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What I'm addressing, is the point that, if God can be self-existent, then the universe can as well.

Which, of course, would mean there are two universes: a self-existent one, and one that God created in six days.

That is a severe logic fail. You need to go back and brush up on your basics. Your premise needs to be supported and even if your premise was correct it does not justify the solution.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I said, we don't discreaminate.

But you do make factually incorrect claims...

 

[Chesterton]

Claims are not made, they evolve.

 

[Mobezom]

After this page, I'm pretty sure Chester's a Poe...

 

[TLK Valentine]

What I'm addressing, is the point that, if God can be self-existent, then the universe can as well.

Which, of course, would mean there are two universes: a self-existent one, and one that God created in six days.

Unless God didn't create a universe -- then the self-existent one would be the only one.

 

[AV1611VET]

Unless God didn't create a universe -- then the self-existent one would be the only one.

Well if you want to turn this into a game of King of the Mountain, the Bible wins by default.

 

[Mobezom]

...what? How is this a game of KotM? And "I win by default" is a very convincing argument.