Kent Hovind Arrested

[Subduction Zone]

That is not what I said. I think your not able to understand.

No, my understanding is just fine. Also I brought up the fact that there never were only two people and that nonsense was your weak response to that claim.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Wrong again, the Bible is simply a book written by man. It is filled with scientific errors, self contradictions, bad morals, and failed prophesies.

Now you are getting desperate. The vast majority of people know the truth and this sort of talk is going to make you look bad.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see you painted yourself into the corner again. I am not instructing anyone. I am simply answering your questions based on what I think the lurkers would be interested in me addressing. We know coming out of the starting gate that we are not going to agree. We also know that you represent a very small number of people in your line of thinking.

Joshua, why do you post such nonsense? Of course you tried to instruct me. Look at that massively ignorant long post that you did. And no, you did not answer my questions. You did not even come close. Lastly you are the one that represents a minority. Even among Christians most accept the fact of evolution.

Try again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Now you are getting desperate. The vast majority of people know the truth and this sort of talk is going to make you look bad.

Wrong again. Most people are not even Christian. Most people worldwide do not believe your nonsense, and what makes you think that most Christians are literalists? You seem to think that your small minority is the majority somehow.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Wrong again. Most people are not even Christian. Most people worldwide do not believe your nonsense, and what makes you think that most Christians are literalists? You seem to think that your small minority is the majority somehow.

It is your choice, you can walk in the light or you can walk in the darkness. You can know the truth and be free or you can live your life in bondage. It is your choice.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is your choice, you can walk in the light or you can walk in the darkness. You can know the truth and be free or you can live your life in bondage. It is your choice.

What are you talking about? If anyone here is walking in darkness that would be you. You keep hoping that the real world will go away whenever your superstitious beliefs are threatened.

 

[Hoghead1]

Yes Genesis is absolutely 100% accurate. The Bible says the word of God is 7 times purified in the fire. "As silver tried in a furnace on the earth, refined seven times" Psalm 7:6. It would appear that very few people have read the Bible so very few people understand the Bible. I have read the Bible AT LEAST 5 times and I read ALL if the genealogies. Most people skip over the geneologies so they have not read ALL of the Bible.

Gen. 1 says first animals, then man and women together. Gen. 2 says first man, then animals, then woman. Either Adam as crated before or after the animals. It can't be both. So one account here is got to be wrong, despite your claim.

 

[Ophiolite]

Now you are getting desperate. The vast majority of people know the truth and this sort of talk is going to make you look bad.

Better to look bad than foolish - and Subduction Zone appears to come out of this looking Bad in the Michael Jackson sense.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Better to look bad than foolish - and Subduction Zone appears to come out of this looking Bad in the Michael Jackson sense.

Michael Jackson changed after the 2005 child-molestation trial. He became more of a recluse and did not have a good reputation. People seemed to forget about that when he died from his drug overdose. Your reference seems to be people who call bad good and there is a warning about that in the Bible:

"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight!…" (Isa 5:20-22)

 

[joshua 1 9]

Gen. 1 says first animals, then man and women together. Gen. 2 says first man, then animals, then woman. Either Adam as crated before or after the animals. It can't be both. So one account here is got to be wrong, despite your claim.

The animals in Genesis chapter two are farm animals or what can be called domesticated animals. AT the universities they call this animal husbandry and this all began with Adam. The scientific evidence can verify this and there is a substantial amount of evidence to verify the Bible is accurate and true. Esp the account in Genesis chapter one and two. Much study has gone into the Neolithic (agriculture) revolution and the dawn of civilization and this is where the Bible begins. I have studied ancient history for over 50 years and everything science has to offer in the way of artifacts and natural evidence can all verify how accurate and true the Bible is. There is no conflict between science and the Bible. Science can verify how accurate and true the Bible is.

Genesis chapter one covers a time span of between 12 & 14 billion years. Genesis chapter two begins 6,000 years ago. Darby and dispensationalism are YEC (Young Earth Creationists). From the YEC perspective one day is equal to 1,000 years. That would mean Genesis chapter one begins 12,985 years ago. There is a nano diamond comet that hit the earth at that time so we can use that as a marker. There are people like Gerald Schroeder that teach a day age theory where the Bible begins 12.985 billion years ago. According to Schroeder each day is half the length of the day before it. Or perhaps they follow the Fibonacci numbers 1 2 3 5 8 13 21. Or 21 13 8 5 3 2 1. So there are different interpretation and understandings of Genesis. None of them need to be mutually exclusive. They could all be true at the same time.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/01/090105-nanodiamonds.html

 

[joshua 1 9]

What are you talking about? If anyone here is walking in darkness that would be you. You keep hoping that the real world will go away whenever your superstitious beliefs are threatened.

"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight!…" (Isa 5:20-22)

 

[Jimmy D]

Genesis chapter one covers a time span of between 12 & 14 billion years. Genesis chapter two begins 6,000 years ago. Darby and dispensationalism are YEC (Young Earth Creationists) so from that perspective one day is equal to 1,000 years. That would mean Genesis chapter one begins 12,985 years ago. There is a nano diamond comet that hit the earth at that time so we can use that as a marker. There are people like Gerald Schroeder that teach a day age theory where the Bible begins 12.985 billion years ago. According to Schroeder each day is half the length of the day before it. Or perhaps they follow the Fibonacci numbers 1 2 3 5 8 13 21. Or 21 13 8 5 3 2 1. So there are different interpretation and understandings of Genesis. None of them need to be mutually exclusive. They could all be true at the same time.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/01/090105-nanodiamonds.html

It says 'days' in the bible I read, it seems your mate Ussher agrees. When you need to make things up like '12 & 14 million years' and 'One day is equal to a 1000 years' in order to try and force Genesis 1 to fit reality it should set alarm bells ringing.

What do you think of this:

2 Peter 3:8–9 reads:

‘But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.’
The first thing to note that the context has nothing to do with the days of creation. Also, it is not defining a day because it doesn’t say ‘a day is a thousand years’. The correct understanding is derived from the context—the Apostle Peter’s readers should not lose heart because God seems slow at fulfilling His promises because He is patient, and also because He is not bound by time as we are.

The text says ‘one day is like [or as] a thousand years’—the word ‘like’ (or ‘as’) shows that it is a figure of speech, called a simile, to teach that God is outside of time (because He is the Creator of time itself). In fact, the figure of speech is so effective in its intended aim precisely because the day is literal and contrasts so vividly with 1000 years—to the eternal Creator of time, a short period of time and a long period of time may as well be the same.

The fact that the passage is actually contrasting a short and long period can be shown by the fact that Peter is quoting Psalm 90:4 (Peter’s statement ‘do not forget’ implies that his readers were expected to recall something, and this passage has this very teaching). This reads:

‘For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.’
This is synonymous parallelism, where a long period of a thousand years is contrasted with two short periods: a day, and a night watch. But those who try to use this verse to teach that the days of Genesis might be 1000 years long forget the additional part in bold. For if they were consistent, they would have to say that a watch in the night here also means 1000 years. It’s difficult to imagine that a Psalmist (Psalm 63:6) is thinking on his bed for thousands of years or that his eyes stay open for thousands of years (Psalm 119:148).

 

[joshua 1 9]

It says 'days' in the bible I read, it seems your mate Ussher agrees.

So do you believe that a day in Genesis chapter one is a literal 24 hour day? Or are you just mocking the Bible?

Prov 9
7 Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults; whoever rebukes the wicked incurs abuse.
8 Do not rebuke mockers or they will hate you; rebuke the wise and they will love you.
9 Instruct the wise and they will be wiser still; teach the righteous and they will add to their learning.
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
11 For through wisdom your days will be many, and years will be added to your life.
12 If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you; if you are a mocker, you alone will suffer.

'One day is equal to a 1000 years' in order to try and force Genesis 1 to fit reality it should set alarm bells ringing.

Dispensationalism does not force anything at all. Everything fits quite nice into that understanding of the Bible. Also as I said this understanding or interpretation is not mutually exclusive. We know that the earth is over 12 million years old. So the day age theory is just as valid as dispensationalism. The Bible had many layers of understanding.

 

[Jimmy D]

So do you believe that a day in Genesis chapter one is a literal 24 hour day? Or are you just mocking the Bible?

Prov 9
7 Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults; whoever rebukes the wicked incurs abuse.
8 Do not rebuke mockers or they will hate you; rebuke the wise and they will love you.
9 Instruct the wise and they will be wiser still; teach the righteous and they will add to their learning.
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
11 For through wisdom your days will be many, and years will be added to your life.
12 If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you; if you are a mocker, you alone will suffer.

Dispensationalism does not force anything at all. Everything fits quite nice into that understanding of the Bible. Also as I said this understanding or interpretation is not mutually exclusive. We know that the earth is over 12 million years old. So the day age theory is just as valid as dispensationalism. The Bible had many layers of understanding.

Not mocking at all Joshua, I may occasionally mock fundamentalist interpretations but I try not to mock anyone's faith, I respect a lot of the Christians on this site.

I do believe Genesis chapter one is talking about literal 24 hour days.

"And there was evening, and there was morning — the second day."

 

[Hoghead1]

The animals in Genesis chapter two are farm animals or what can be called domesticated animals. AT the universities they call this animal husbandry and this all began with Adam. The scientific evidence can verify this and there is a substantial amount of evidence to verify the Bible is accurate and true. Esp the account in Genesis chapter one and two. Much study has gone into the Neolithic (agriculture) revolution and the dawn of civilization and this is where the Bible begins. I have studied ancient history for over 50 years and everything science has to offer in the way of artifacts and natural evidence can all verify how accurate and true the Bible is. There is no conflict between science and the Bible. Science can verify how accurate and true the Bible is.

Genesis chapter one covers a time span of between 12 & 14 billion years. Genesis chapter two begins 6,000 years ago. Darby and dispensationalism are YEC (Young Earth Creationists). From the YEC perspective one day is equal to 1,000 years. That would mean Genesis chapter one begins 12,985 years ago. There is a nano diamond comet that hit the earth at that time so we can use that as a marker. There are people like Gerald Schroeder that teach a day age theory where the Bible begins 12.985 billion years ago. According to Schroeder each day is half the length of the day before it. Or perhaps they follow the Fibonacci numbers 1 2 3 5 8 13 21. Or 21 13 8 5 3 2 1. So there are different interpretation and understandings of Genesis. None of them need to be mutually exclusive. They could all be true at the same time.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/01/090105-nanodiamonds.html

That's about as far off base with Genesis as you could possible get.

 

[Hoghead1]

So do you believe that a day in Genesis chapter one is a literal 24 hour day? Or are you just mocking the Bible?

Prov 9
7 Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults; whoever rebukes the wicked incurs abuse.
8 Do not rebuke mockers or they will hate you; rebuke the wise and they will love you.
9 Instruct the wise and they will be wiser still; teach the righteous and they will add to their learning.
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
11 For through wisdom your days will be many, and years will be added to your life.
12 If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you; if you are a mocker, you alone will suffer.

Dispensationalism does not force anything at all. Everything fits quite nice into that understanding of the Bible. Also as I said this understanding or interpretation is not mutually exclusive. We know that the earth is over 12 million years old. So the day age theory is just as valid as dispensationalism. The Bible had many layers of understanding.

Nobody here is mocking Scripture. It is true certain interpretations of Scripture are being attached and that some individuals immediately go on the defensive and say Scripture is being attacked when it is really their own interpretation that is under fire.The author of Gen. 1, the P source, probably had in mind a literal 24-hour day. His goal was to sweep away polytheism and its idea that different days were for different gods, by saying we should worship the same God every day.

 

[Subduction Zone]

"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight!…" (Isa 5:20-22)

So as usual you have nothing. If you have nothing but veiled threats, which are against the rules here, then you should not post anything. Better yet, as a Christian, or even as a decent human being, when your errors are pointed out to you you should thank the other person and fix your errors. You will never learn anything here if you keep hiding your head in the sand.

 

[joshua 1 9]

which are against the rules here,

It is not against the rules to quote the Bible. Do you have a problem with the Bible and the message in the Bible for each and every one of us alive today on Planet Earth?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Nobody here is mocking Scripture.

That is exactly what the intent of skeptics and scoffers are is to mock the Bible. Perhaps the atheists and agnostics do not realize when they quote from those web sites just how it is that they are being used as a pawn in the battle against God and against the truth.

 

[PsychoSarah]

That is exactly what the intent of skeptics and scoffers are is to mock the Bible. Perhaps the atheists and agnostics do not realize when they quote from those web sites just how it is that they are being used as a pawn in the battle against God and against the truth.

Assuming you are right with no possibility of being wrong is intellectually dishonest. Anything can claim to be true, which is why these claims need evidence to back them in order to be viewed as worth noting. Back up your claims, or don't make them.