Is there a Kundalini spirit in the charismatic church?

[AGTG]

This pastor was a part of the Toronto blessing, and he left when the Holy Spirit broke through and convicted him of what was happening:

 

[Si_monfaith]

Agtg has to know the grace of Jesus. Lord will reveal it.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Even Daniel lay on his face and was on all fours, what matters is that the angel touches you and gives one the strength to stand and speak after a time. And Ezekiel was commanded to cook his food on dry human dung, he could not stand that. And Jesus made mud from spit and street dust at a time of beasts of burden and healed a blind man with it. This was deliberate to offend the Pharisees. There are Pharisee like ones today. It seems a solemn, maybe mournful assembly wants to maintain that and "keep order" and self control, instead of surrender. But there is oil of joy for mourning.

When Carol Arnott shakes her head strongly, it seems to me, that God is telling her, "no" a lot and that she wants to be nice and polite, and to address a difficult matter with special modesty and change the subject, but it is one matter God wants to address firmly, so she speaks God's will shaking her head, because she is so nice and non confrontational. But it then comes through.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

The prophets drank the old wine, and were much moved by reverence, we are moved in love and grace.

1 Timothy 4 mentions latter times and seducing spirits, but essentially in the same verses, false dietary laws.

 

[ToBeLoved]

When Carol Arnott shakes her head strongly, it seems to me, that God is telling her, "no" a lot and that she wants to be nice and polite, and to address a difficult matter with special modesty and change the subject, but it is one matter God wants to address firmly, so she speaks God's will shaking her head, because she is so nice and non confrontational. But it then comes through.

Huh?

God has told many no, and they don't do that.

 

[amariselle]

We need to examine all of these things, and we need to read God's word and pray for discernment. It is very troubling to me how much of the manifestations mirror things that go on in Eastern religions. I just can't believe that God would ever make people thrash around, throw up and act like animals.

And when Paul writes about Spiritual gifts, he writes that they should be for the building up of the church. How exactly do all of these manifestations do anything of the sort?

Now, I am not saying that the Spirit of God doesn't move in churches today, I believe He does....but am pretty certain it doesn't look like Eastern mysticism when the Holy Spirit is present.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Huh?

God has told many no, and they don't do that.

Good manners are part of love, but also mean people are nice and for example do not want to condemn anyone. But God sometimes wants to give warnings. God does not limit Himself, He has more detail and creativity than Tolkien... If they are nice they are called faulty, if they warn the same still criticize them.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

We need to examine all of these things, and we need to read God's word and pray for discernment. It is very troubling to me how much of the manifestations mirror things that go on in Eastern religions. I just can't believe that God would ever make people thrash around, throw up and act like animals.

And when Paul writes about Spiritual gifts, he writes that they should be for the building up of the church. How exactly do all of these manifestations do anything of the sort?

Now, I am not saying that the Spirit of God doesn't move in churches today, I believe He does....but am pretty certain it doesn't look like Eastern mysticism when the Holy Spirit is present.

What if Eastern Mysticism is counterfeit?
This is the first I heard of vomiting at church.

 

[amariselle]

What if Eastern Mysticism is counterfeit?
This is the first I heard of vomiting at church.

If you do some research, there are videos of "church" services where people were actually throwing up. (Among other things) I think the man leading the services is a "prophet" by the name of T.B. Joshua, he's from Nigeria. I did a quick search, but I didn't see the exact video I watched the other day. I will look more when I get home. In the video I'm referring to, he had some kind of "anointing sticker" that had his picture on it and the words "Let Love Lead." When the sticker was given to people, they started to shake, fall over, scream, cry and get sick. I am deeply troubled by this kind of thing.

Here is a link to his church's official website.

Actually, on looking briefly at a couple other videos, it seems this vomiting manifestation is not rare in their services.

As you your question about Eastern Mysticism being counterfeit, I think there are some very real things that go on within it, but I do not believe that these things are from God.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

If you do some research, there are videos of "church" services where people were actually throwing up. (Among other things) I think the man leading the services is a "prophet" by the name of T.B. Joshua, he's from Nigeria. I did a quick search, but I didn't see the exact video I watched the other day. I will look more when I get home. In the video I'm referring to, he had some kind of "anointing sticker" that had his picture on it and the words "Let Love Lead." When the sticker was given to people, they started to shake, fall over, scream, cry and get sick. I am deeply troubled by this kind of thing.

Here is a link to his church's official website.

Actually, on looking briefly at a couple other videos, it seems this vomiting manifestation is not rare in their services.

As you your question about Eastern Mysticism being counterfeit, I think there are some very real things that go on within it, but I do not believe that these things are from God.

I actually recall vomiting in church now, but only in deliverance meetings. I'll see if TB J does deliverance... The Africans are new Christians and are different, not yet polished.

 

[amariselle]

I actually recall vomiting in church now, but only in deliverance meetings. I'll see if TB J does deliverance... The Africans are new Christians and are different, not yet polished.

He does it would seem, though I still find a lot of what goes on in these meetings highly questionable, new Christians or not.

 

[AGTG]

If you do some research, there are videos of "church" services where people were actually throwing up. (Among other things) I think the man leading the services is a "prophet" by the name of T.B. Joshua, he's from Nigeria. I did a quick search, but I didn't see the exact video I watched the other day. I will look more when I get home. In the video I'm referring to, he had some kind of "anointing sticker" that had his picture on it and the words "Let Love Lead." When the sticker was given to people, they started to shake, fall over, scream, cry and get sick. I am deeply troubled by this kind of thing.

Here is a link to his church's official website.

Actually, on looking briefly at a couple other videos, it seems this vomiting manifestation is not rare in their services.

As you your question about Eastern Mysticism being counterfeit, I think there are some very real things that go on within it, but I do not believe that these things are from God.

Thank you for the warning. I had heard of this guy, but didn't really know anything of his ministry.

 

[amariselle]

Thank you for the warning. I had heard of this guy, but didn't really know anything of his ministry.

Yeah, I just recently heard of him myself, and I am definitely disturbed by what I've seen so far.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Good manners are part of love, but also mean people are nice and for example do not want to condemn anyone. But God sometimes wants to give warnings. God does not limit Himself, He has more detail and creativity than Tolkien... If they are nice they are called faulty, if they warn the same still criticize them.

That's your response to Carol Arnott thrashing her head around and saying it is the Holy Spirit?

So you evidently believes that God causes people through the Holy Spirit to act possessed? I don't think so.

What warning is she giving that she is giving? Am I missing something?

 

[nothead]

That's your response to Carol Arnott thrashing her head around and saying it is the Holy Spirit?

So you evidently believes that God causes people through the Holy Spirit to act possessed? I don't think so.

What warning is she giving that she is giving? Am I missing something?

Becoming another man, influenced or possessed...same dealybobber.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

From what I understand, Wiccans use the kundalini in their grand rite. It's the power of the earth synchronizing with the human [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. So one could ask the question, do people get Godgasms in Charismatic churches but no where else? Another question could be Are you saying by "kundalini in church" that the church in question is earthly or of the flesh? What is the point of such questions other than to accuse christians of not being christian?

 

[nothead]

From what I understand, Wiccans use the kundalini in their grand rite. It's the power of the earth synchronizing with the human [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. So one could ask the question, do people get Godgasms in Charismatic churches but no where else? Another question could be Are you saying by "kundalini in church" that the church in question is earthly or of the flesh? What is the point of such questions other than to accuse christians of not being christian?

Not a godasm and not the Holy Spirit either. I was 3HO for three years and taught yoga in an OR prison. It was KUNDALINI Yoga.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Not a godasm and not the Holy Spirit either. I was 3HO for three years and taught yoga in an OR prison. It was KUNDALINI Yoga.

Yeah Kundalini has traversed a number of disciplines like the term Karma. Another description of kundalini illustrates two snakes in the body.
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When people say the EROS is rising in the spring, it's a similar thing.

 

[AGTG]

Not a godasm and not the Holy Spirit either. I was 3HO for three years and taught yoga in an OR prison. It was KUNDALINI Yoga.

So do you think it's pretty much people being fleshly and allowing demons to manifest?

 

[jiminpa]

Not a godasm and not the Holy Spirit either. I was 3HO for three years and taught yoga in an OR prison. It was KUNDALINI Yoga.

So are you saying that the Holy Spirit is not moving in Charismatic churches?