Is Slavery an Acceptable Practice?

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Hey Jimmy. I'm not quite sure what you mean, but I think it was possible for him to turn away from the cross. He chose not to. I think acknowledging that choice is an important part of respecting Jesus' humanity and sacrifice. Have I misunderstood you?

As long as you agree it would have been to bad for us if He had done so!

 

[ChristianMatchmaking]

Philip Ryken?

Yes

 

[Endtime Survivors]

As long as you agree it would have been to bad for us if He had done so!

I'm not sure. I think God would have made another way, but more so I think that, while Jesus had a choice, God engineered the situation in such a way that he knew Jesus would not choose to turn away.

Who knows what goes on behind the scenes with a God who is able to exist independently of time, space, matter!

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

You do understand that less than half of US citizens are forced serve the needs of others, right? Most people don't pay income tax.

You also understand what the working definition of slavery is, as I set out plainly in the OP, and to which everyone agreed, until, that is they understood I was the salve. Then there was backpedaling.

Ah there it..your "slavery" taxes!

Slavery is alive and well, and inf act the amount of slaves in today's world are more than what we had during the ole' african chattel slave days. The difference between now and then is that today it is all, more or less, sex slavery.

 

[Endtime Survivors]

The difference between now and then is that today it is all, more or less, sex slavery.

Don't forget debt.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Don't forget debt.

Both are voluntary and do not fall under his own definition.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Yes

Were you a member of 10th Pres?

 

[Endtime Survivors]

voluntary

I wonder about that. I mean, I agree according to a pretty strict assessment that ultimately every individual is responsible for their own behavior no matter what. I think there's a lot of good truth there, but grace seems to more about considering things like influence, circumstances, context, sincerity, effort, and a few dozen other significant factors. Have you ever had personal experience with anyone who has been inconvenienced by debt?

What about any situation where you'd reasonably conclude someone was taken advantage of by various savvy credit-related sales pitches, whether they be loans, credit cards, mortgages, or whatever...?

What about anyone whom you would say was actually harmed (according to whatever definition you feel is right for the context) by debt?

Teaching. Guiding. Influencing. Marketing. Manipulating. Creating interest. They could all be synonyms depending on context. Different people can be convinced to see the same piece of evidence from dozens of contradictory perspectives. Somehow, it has become not only acceptable, but a symbol of social status to have the highest capacity for the greatest amount of wealth which does not belong to you (i.e. high credit scores).

Of course debt does not appear as slavery. It's not profitable to portray it that way.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

I wonder about that. I mean, I agree according to a pretty strict assessment that ultimately every individual is responsible for their own behavior no matter what. I think there's a lot of good truth there, but grace seems to more about considering things like influence, circumstances, context, sincerity, effort, and a few dozen other significant factors. Have you ever had personal experience with anyone who has been inconvenienced by debt?

What about any situation where you'd reasonably conclude someone was taken advantage of by various savvy credit-related sales pitches, whether they be loans, credit cards, mortgages, or whatever...?

What about anyone whom you would say was actually harmed (according to whatever definition you feel is right for the context) by debt?

Teaching. Guiding. Influencing. Marketing. Manipulating. Creating interest. They could all be synonyms depending on context. Different people can be convinced to see the same piece of evidence from dozens of contradictory perspectives. Somehow, it has become not only acceptable, but a symbol of social status to have the highest capacity for the greatest amount of wealth which does not belong to you (i.e. high credit scores).

Of course debt does not appear as slavery. It's not profitable to portray it that way.

We used to deal with loans without any interest. It was the idea that charging interest was I think not very christian. Then that changed. I wonder why that changed or was deemed acceptable to charge interest. Now we have a bunch of loan sharks charging ridiculous amounts of interest to desperate people.

 

[Goodbook]

Defining slavery as the forceful use of one person to serve the purpose of another, is slavery an acceptable practice?

Does God approve of it?

Is it acceptable under certain circumstances?

Why is it wrong?

You seem to be asking a lot of questions. Do you really not know, or have you never worked as a slave before?

 

[Philip_B]

The problem I have is that in a world where many are genuinely in forced labour and regarded as chattels, it is extremely degrading to them to liken the circumstance of the provision of government services to the deserving and undeserving poor alike at the expense of the taxpayer, as to suggest that this is the same thing. It is like the rich complaining poor me when it seems we have been completely unable despite our best endeavors over the past couple of hundred years to eradicate slavery.

 

[tienkhoanguyen]

Defining slavery as the forceful use of one person to serve the purpose of another, is slavery an acceptable practice?

Does God approve of it?

Is it acceptable under certain circumstances?

Why is it wrong?

Now in modern times "Slavery being defined as employee" there are also kind bosses and cruel bosses. It specifically says if you are a highly trained worker you will serve before Kings instead of cruel men. This is if I am not mistaken. It also says that you either serve GOD or men and not both! That is why if you want a good life you need to receive GOD#!!

 

[jimmyjimmy]

The problem I have is that in a world where many are genuinely in forced labour and regarded as chattels, it is extremely degrading to them to liken the circumstance of the provision of government services to the deserving and undeserving poor alike at the expense of the taxpayer, as to suggest that this is the same thing. It is like the rich complaining poor me when it seems we have been completely unable despite our best endeavors over the past couple of hundred years to eradicate slavery.

I'm not rich. My wife and I both work, and we are slaves to those who don't work because the government takes our money and hands it to able-bodied people in order to buy votes or avoid the difficult task of cutting them off.

 

[Philip_B]

I'm not rich. My wife and I both work, and we are slaves to those who don't work because the government takes our money and hands it to able-bodied people in order to buy votes or avoid the difficult task of cutting them off.

I am not unsympathetic, though I am aware of the real problem of discerning the deserving and the undeserving amongst the poor. My point is in a real world where real people are actually bound in slavery (as we would more traditionally understand it) you claim for the slave tag sounds as a noisy gong or a clanging symbol.