Nadiine
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It is human reasoning that God first works with us to enlighten us to His truth.Sorry guys, I guess I wasn't clear enough. Your interpretation of Isaiah 1:18 is in error. God is not speaking of human reasoning, but devine reasoning. Our human reasoning is what caused the fall and it's been down hill ever since. I thought we were on the same page, but it seems not so.
When we are Lost, we are DEAD to the Spirit. God is working THRU our natural mind to REASON His truth -within that carnality.
Paul 'reasoned' with the King to persuade him to Christ in Acts.
He also reasoned with the 'wise Greeks' of his day who used human philosophy. He appealed to them on THAT base level of their comprehension.
We all use human reason every day; it's just that a Christian's Spirit overrides the carnality. Not that we LOSE all ability to reason.
Since we're all born, DEAD to Christ, then it's that natural mind/reasoning that He first has to work with to GET US into the fold. He also uses many types of methods. He doesn't ONLY use reason - He uses experience, other people, nature, etc.
I pray that God will give you eyes to see and ears to hear.Ask GOD if you are in error! When I was your age, I had that fire and zeal also,(that's good) but more levels of revelation came with maturity(physical & spiritual). I thought I knew so much in my 30's, I was going to let all the world know how they were loosing out(I would set them straight). Then as I matured and grew in knowledge, of myself first, then of the Lord. The more knowledge I received, the more I realized how much I didn't know. That's how it starts by the way. We start in our walk with God, with a 100% focus on us and ends with a 100% focus on him. As long as ourselves are in the picture, He is not(to whatever degree). You may not hear me now, but in 10 or so years(if you continue on to know the lord)you will recall what is being said to you now(it doesn't have to be that long). I hope it doesn't take that long. I am also amazed in reading all these posts in the forums, how much the words ME, MY, I ,are used, instead of HIM, HE, and HIS. It brings to mind the scripure that He must increase, we must decrease. That comes with the cross and maturity. In using scripture as a reply and devine reasoning as a way to discuss this topic it seems that we failed and you all were unable or willing to carry the lighter load but chose the heavier one.I'm in no way trying to tear down what the lord has built up in your life but you have a little ways to go.
I never claim to know it all (which is why I put that on my char. quote) - we all have room to grow & learn. We move "from glory to glory".
But that doesn't mean that we do not use our reasoning; humanly or spiritual. God GIVES US this ability for a reason(I also believe it's something that helps set us apart from & above the animal kingdom).
God doesn't operate outside reason as if it's all about secret mystical concepts & principles that man cannot possibly fathom - as if Faith utterly makes no sense to man & has no means of being sought out naturally.
It merely tells us that it goes against our NATURE - not that we cannot grasp anything using reason or logic.
Faith in God may be against my human nature, but it doesn't mean I cannot humanly understand the use of FAITH or that a GOD exists to place that faith into.
Look at Romans 1, God says that Creation itself is a revelation of God - that any who reject God are without excuse; merely becuz they SEE His majesty in nature alone & it's VISIBLE to them.
THAT is a means of using basic human reason - visual proof of God & His power.
I honestly do not need to seek God & pray for enlightenment over things that are already known & displayed in plain view.Before you reply back to this post, reach in to the Lord for spiritual wisdom and compassion and don't act, out of that old carnal nature, act out of that new nature(if you are truly born again). I know you will tell me how much you now the Lord and where do I think I am coming from). I am not saying you don't know thw Lord on a level, but in most every encounter of the Lord and a human, the human fell down as dead and had to be revived.
I agree with the verse, not how it's used; as if becuz God's ways are HIGHER, that He can't & doesn't appeal to human reason in revealing Himself to man."For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the Lord." For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts".
God uses revelations of all kinds, on all levels to reach us. Not ONLY the supernatural; but He also appeals to us in our basic nature - and why shouldn't He? He made us this way & knows how we operate.
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