Iraqi War Vet Critically Injured by Police

[JimR-OCDS]

And of course this man in the wheel chair deserved to be body slammed onto the pavement by the cops.


Wheelchair Man is Easy Prey for Police Officers Cops Harming the Handicap - YouTube


Cops tried to say the man fell out of the wheel chair.

Jim

 

[AMDG]

And of course this man in the wheel chair deserved to be body slammed onto the pavement by the cops.

You don't like the police very much do you?

Seems to be a problem with this whole culture--"police protect me, but if you do your job, I'll manage to always twist things so that you appear the bad guy". Last year when I had jury duty, I was surprised when we (about 120 prospective jurors) were asked if we respect the police and only 10 people raised their hands (they were immediately dismissed too.)

 

[Foundthelight]

I haven't been able to read this entire thread. However, I grew up during the protest years in America and don't buy the "illegal protest" argument. As has been pointed out early on in this thread those in power in America have always declared such protests illegal and used violence to end them. The end result has always been positive change which has come out of those "illegal protests".

The injured man was shot in the head by an officer who was supposed to be firing at the ground. Why was the officer firing at heads?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

You don't like the police very much do you?

Seems to be a problem with this whole culture--"police protect me, but if you do your job, I'll manage to always twist things so that you appear the bad guy". Last year when I had jury duty, I was surprised when we (about 120 prospective jurors) were asked if we respect the police and only 10 people raised their hands (they were immediately dismissed too.)

So you have no problem with what the cops did to that man in the video?

Just because they're cops, doesn't give them license to strong arm handicapped people as they did.


Jim

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

You don't like the police very much do you?

Seems to be a problem with this whole culture--"police protect me, but if you do your job, I'll manage to always twist things so that you appear the bad guy". Last year when I had jury duty, I was surprised when we (about 120 prospective jurors) were asked if we respect the police and only 10 people raised their hands (they were immediately dismissed too.)

Is dragging a handicapped man out of his wheel chair and body slamming him in the police manual ? Wow one would have never known.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Saw this linked from drudge report. Armed militia shows up at occupy phoenix rally. The man with the AR15 rifle is being interviewed. he was also scene at a Neo Nazi rally. It seems they were there to intimidate the occupiers and to challenge the police.

So for those who condemn the non-violent occupiers. How do you feel about right wing Nazi sympathizers armed to the teeth showing up at rallies ?

» Armed Citizen Militia Shows Up At Occupy Phoenix Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

 

[AMDG]

So non-violent.

Occupy Hand Out: “When Should You Shoot A Cop?” - Watchwoman on the Wall

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Saw this linked from drudge report. Armed militia shows up at occupy phoenix rally. The man with the AR15 rifle is being interviewed. he was also scene at a Neo Nazi rally. It seems they were there to intimidate the occupiers and to challenge the police.

So for those who condemn the non-violent occupiers. How do you feel about right wing Nazi sympathizers armed to the teeth showing up at rallies ?

» Armed Citizen Militia Shows Up At Occupy Phoenix Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Watch the extremist, as I've been saying all along.

Jim

 

[AMDG]

Watch the extremist, as I've been saying all along.

Ignore the fact that violence is being encouraged by the protestors?

 

[Antigone]

You don't like the police very much do you?

Seems to be a problem with this whole culture--"police protect me, but if you do your job, I'll manage to always twist things so that you appear the bad guy". Last year when I had jury duty, I was surprised when we (about 120 prospective jurors) were asked if we respect the police and only 10 people raised their hands (they were immediately dismissed too.)

I think it's possible to respect the police and at the same time allow for the fact that there might be a few rotten apples among a lot of very good people.

In fact, I think that the only way you truly do them justice is to allow that they are, after all, people and they make mistakes.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Ignore the fact that violence is being encouraged by the protestors?

There are extremist among the protesters who will incite violence. Heck, such people are at sports celebrations when their team wins the championship. Does this mean all the sports fans who attended are violent?

I'll even go so far as saying, that in times past, the extremist were actually government agents, who provoke violence in order for the state to be justified in using violence to put the demonstration to an end.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is happening at the OWL demonstrations, but don't be too quick to take sides for the facts may not be as they seem.

As far as the man in the wheel-chair, no one diserves to be treated that way.

The cops were wrong, no two ways about it.

Jim

 

[isshinwhat]

Saw this linked from drudge report. Armed militia shows up at occupy phoenix rally. The man with the AR15 rifle is being interviewed. he was also scene at a Neo Nazi rally. It seems they were there to intimidate the occupiers and to challenge the police.

So for those who condemn the non-violent occupiers. How do you feel about right wing Nazi sympathizers armed to the teeth showing up at rallies ?

» Armed Citizen Militia Shows Up At Occupy Phoenix Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

They were there joining the occupiers in an effort to "protect" their 1st Amendment Rights, not intimidate them. Not that I think the majority of the occupiers would be comfortable with a Neo-Nazi latching onto their cause, just like Tea Partiers weren't, but the National Socialists were not there to intimidate the occupiers. What interesting times we live in...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkM7cdMgcEc&feature=player_embedded#!

 

[JimR-OCDS]

They were there joining the occupiers in an effort to "protect" their 1st Amendment Rights, not intimidate them. Not that I think the majority of the occupiers would be comfortable with a Neo-Nazi latching onto their cause, just like Tea Partiers weren't, but the National Socialists were not there to intimidate the occupiers. What interesting times we live in...

Occupy Phoenix with AR-15's - YouTube

So does this mean that if the City decides to remove the occupiers, this militia group will open fire against the cops?

Like I said a while ago. This is concerning stuff and we need to keep our open.


Jim

 

[isshinwhat]

Did you watch the video? That's the way it sounded to me... He was pretty up front about the direction he was facing and why, as well as the training "his men" had received. Stuff like this should really be receiving more coverage - I mean, I live in Phoenix and will be going to Mass right next door to all of this... If this was a Tea Party MSNBC and CNN would be all over it, and rightfully so... This is definitely newsworthy.

JT: We're not Wall Street bankers, let's put it that way.

Morpheus: Are you prepared to do anything here today?

JT: That's what we're trained for.

Morpheus: Okay.

JT: So... everyone out here today is part of a squad that's fully trained in the justified use of deadly force.

Oh well, I agree with you, Jim, that we should all keep our eyes open. What they are doing is well within Constitutional bounds, but it could get interesting when the election cycle really heats up.

 

[Starlightsobright]

Your too young to understand the nuances. I am a veteran and I am going to stand by a Veteran. Civil disobedience is part of what veterans fought to uphold.

Does that give the police the right to fracture his skull and leave him in critical condition ? I think not. I won't lash out at you, because I understand you don't have the perspective. But many blacks were beaten and had police dogs sig'd on them by police during the civil rights protests.

My Dad stood on picket lines many years back, fought with police and hired thugs, while trying to ensure that workers had decent health care, vacation pay, sick time, weekends off.

When you face adversity in life, then come back and lecture me, ok ?

Well Written.

 

[Luther073082]

There are extremist among the protesters who will incite violence. Heck, such people are at sports celebrations when their team wins the championship. Does this mean all the sports fans who attended are violent?

I'll even go so far as saying, that in times past, the extremist were actually government agents, who provoke violence in order for the state to be justified in using violence to put the demonstration to an end.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is happening at the OWL demonstrations, but don't be too quick to take sides for the facts may not be as they seem.

As far as the man in the wheel-chair, no one diserves to be treated that way.

The cops were wrong, no two ways about it.

Jim

Honestly, if he disobeyed a legal order, I don't care what they had to do to remove him. I have very little sympathy for people who congregating on public ground do not move when ordered to. And I don't care if they are vets, or in a wheel chair.

I can not understand how people disobeying a lawful order from the police to disperse are somehow the victims when the police are forced to force them to disperse.

In those cases I'm for more tear gas, more rubber bullets, more bean bags, more police phalanxes.

They should obey the police unless they want to turn this into a rebellion. And if thats what they are going to do, then I'm going to get a gun and volunteer anything I can do to surpress the rebellion. Because I don't want my wife and I to end up in some socialist re-education camp because we decided to get off our butts and work for a living. Because thats where movements like this go.

As far as them living off the tax payers. . . I don't know maybe they are living off their parents. But I can tell you they don't have jobs. Because people with jobs don't keep them by camping out on Wall-Street 24/7.

 

[Luther073082]

For the record I found an article on their demographics.

Wahoo a whole 50% of them actually work. Wow. . . I am impressed. So only half of them are lazy.

And a whole third of them are over 35. Wow. . . because its not like the number of people over the age of 35 makes up more then a third of the population.

The Demographics Of Occupy Wall Street | Fast Company

Almost a third would support violence to acheive their ends.

65% belive the government (In other words people who pay taxes) should guarentee them free health care, free college education, and pay their retirement.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204479504576637082965745362.html

Oh and here are some of their demands. . .

They want public financing of elections. Oh thats lovely make the rich pay for that one too. Of course they havn't described who would have access to the money. . . Maybe they think any moron who declares candiacy can get the dough.

They also want people who are in office to be banned from receiving gifts. Guess a congressman's wife can't buy him a gift no more. (I'm only reading what it says and it says no gifts of any kind.)

Term limits for representatives and senators. . . I actually don't have a huge problem with this, not sure a lot of people do.

They want a "fair tax code" which means wealthy people pay more then they already do. Because apparently they think that they pay more taxes then rich people. Pay up rich people!

Single payer health-care. In other words rich people get to pay for me to see the doctor every time I get a sniffle. Doctors better start taking pay cuts if we are going to afford this.

More environmental regulations. . . so less of us can have jobs.

Ahh but they also want the national debt paid for. Of course they never ask the question of how they are going to give everyone everything and pay the national debt. . . I guess the rich people will just havae to fork over 90% of their checks to the government.

Oh and they don't want to pay their student loans either. Fork it over rich man!!

Apparently they think closing down some "non essential military bases is going to save 1 trillion a year. Of course I guess no one told them that we don't spent 1 trillion per year on the entire US military. Guess they can't be troubled with things like facts.

https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/

So in other words their demands are.

1. Make the rich people pay, give me the money.
2. Make the rich people pay, give me the money.
3. Make the rich people pay, give me the money.
4. Congressional term limits.
5. Make the rich people pay, pay off the national debt.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Luther

Honestly, if he disobeyed a legal order, I don't care what they had to do to remove him.

Gee, as a Christian I care how they removed him. No one in a wheel chair deserves to be hauled out and body slammed to the ground.

This is purely a lack of discipline in the cops who did this.

I'm not naive, I've served on riot control, when I was in the Marines in Okinawa and it's scary. However, you have to maintain discipline. You can't go open firing into a crowd of protesters nor use force beyond reasonable means.

A man in a wheel-chair, unless he has a gun, isn't a threat to the cops where he had to be handled as he was in the video, which my guess based on your response is, you didn't watch it.

I have very little sympathy for people who congregating on public ground do not move when ordered to. And I don't care if they are vets, or in a wheel chair.

Unless the person is using physical violence against the cops, there is no need to crack his head open with a baton, nor be dragged out of a wheel-chair and slammed to the concrete paved sidewalk.

I can not understand how people disobeying a lawful order from the police to disperse are somehow the victims when the police are forced to force them to disperse.

Your presuming they are disobeying the law. For all we know, they were just peaceful demonstrators, and it was the cops who over reacted.

In those cases I'm for more tear gas, more rubber bullets, more bean bags, more police phalanxes.

If the crowd begins to become violent these means may be used. However, this wasn't the case in the video.

Also keep in mind a historical fact.

It is well known various times, that cops dressed in civilian clothes are planted into crowds in order to begin the violence. This allows the cops in uniform to use violence against the demonstrators to remove them with justification and public support.

I'm not saying this has happened in the OWS demonstrations, but I'm just warning that it can and so don't be too quick to justify the violence the cops use against demonstrators.

In the video of the man in the wheel-chair, there was no violence against the cops taking place. We don't know what the man was saying, but no words justify what the cops did to him.



Jim

 

[Aeneas]

Honestly, if he disobeyed a legal order, I don't care what they had to do to remove him.

So if they beat a pregnant woman until she miscarried and then threatened to murder their children, that's cool with you? Most people like police who follow the law.

I have very little sympathy for people who congregating on public ground do not move when ordered to. And I don't care if they are vets, or in a wheel chair.

That's unusual.

I can not understand how people disobeying a lawful order from the police to disperse are somehow the victims when the police are forced to force them to disperse.

When the police use illegally excessive force.

In those cases I'm for more tear gas, more rubber bullets, more bean bags, more police phalanxes.

They should obey the police unless they want to turn this into a rebellion. And if thats what they are going to do, then I'm going to get a gun and volunteer anything I can do to surpress the rebellion. Because I don't want my wife and I to end up in some socialist re-education camp because we decided to get off our butts and work for a living. Because thats where movements like this go.

lolwut?

As far as them living off the tax payers. . . I don't know maybe they are living off their parents. But I can tell you they don't have jobs. Because people with jobs don't keep them by camping out on Wall-Street 24/7.

Do you have any evidence for this? It seems to me to be just conjecture.

 

[AMDG]

Now you have me curious, how *do* folks expect people to keep their jobs when the are gone from them 24/7 for four weeks or more? (And if the people are students in college, how do they remain so if they are missing all those days of classes for so long?)