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Iraqi War Vet Critically Injured by Police

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by eastcoast_bsc, Oct 26, 2011.

  1. Aeneas

    Aeneas New Member

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    You DO understand that the "noble" civil rights movement used "illegal protest" extensively, right?
     
  2. Searching_for_Christ

    Searching_for_Christ simul justus et peccator

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    Yes, but this is the kind of protest that has absolutely 100% no need for use of illegal protesting measures. They have every right to protest...legally.

    There is a far difference between those who fought for the rights of Blacks compared to the people who have been camping out yelling about corporate greed. Different situations, different scenarios. The fights for african rights had a nessesity for illegal protesting, this cause however does not.
     
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    Aeneas New Member

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    They must have forgotten to ask you exactly what sort of procedures their protest movement should follow and were justified in using. How silly of them.


    You are welcome to your opinion. Obviously, other people disagree with you.
     
  4. Searching_for_Christ

    Searching_for_Christ simul justus et peccator

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    If the Tea Party can protest in a peaceful legal manner, then why cannot this movement? MUST they illegally assemble without a permit? what are they proving by choosing to take the illegal rout? has the Government denied them the right to protest at all? no? Personally I think its just the anti-Authoritarian mindset of the movement, your welcome to explain why they need to assemble themselves illegally rather than legally. Both ways get the same result..only one way is against the law.




    And those people are more than welcome to be wrong ;)
     
  5. eastcoast_bsc

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    African rights ? They were Black Americans. Your mask is slipping.
     
  6. Searching_for_Christ

    Searching_for_Christ simul justus et peccator

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    Come out and pay attention to my points rather, than hiding in the shadows and picking at little tid bits that have nothing to do with the real issue. That or say nothing at all, its really this simple.
     
  7. WarriorAngel

    WarriorAngel I close my eyes and see you smile Supporter

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    Sign says One Bread, One Body - Catholic.
     
  8. Searching_for_Christ

    Searching_for_Christ simul justus et peccator

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    Are you going to try and push the argument that a thread about a veteran who was hurt in a police break up of an illegal protest, is not allowed to be debated about unless i'm Catholic? I thought I was simply not allowed to debate Catholic teachings ect. As far as I'm aware I am perfectly within the confines of the rules.


    I have broken no rules.
     
  9. eastcoast_bsc

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    Your being duped by Wall St. In all movements, the first thing they do is call them names and attempt to discredit them. They did the same to the anti war protestors in the 60's. they called them dirty Hippies, as you recently did, in regards to the Wall st. protestors, so you see, it is old school.

    But those Hippies were correct, 50,000 young boys, average age 19 died for those in power. The same is happening in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.

    Ever wonder why the wealthy don't have to pay the ultimate sacrifice ?

    Wall street has to a great extent caused the problems we now see in the economy. They were bailed out to the tune of Millions, yet when Wall Street protesters call them on the carpet, they respond by attempting to demean them.

    Their message may not yet be clear, but it is developing, and if this country does not want to see what happened in Egypt and various other arab nations, then they should start listening to Main street.

    here is an interview with one of the protestors that fox News "forgot" to air. This young man is quite articulate, you might learn something.

    Doesn't sound like a dirty hippie to me. He schools the fox reporter.

    Fox News Reporter Gets Served During Wall Street Protests! (Unaired Fox News Footage) - YouTube
     
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  10. Searching_for_Christ

    Searching_for_Christ simul justus et peccator

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    Thank you for taking the time to reply to me.

    I am not against the idea that corporations need to have their hands taken out of Government (and vice versa) however I'm not a big fan of the way they are going about it. My argument tho was never really against the movements idea. I think I will end this for the night. Its quite late. I need my beauty sleep :D
     
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    Read Rerum Novarum prior to bed. :D



     
  12. Feisty_Angel

    Feisty_Angel Please pray for us - Much Needed Rain !!

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    To let everyone know:

    In so far as the "Occupy Oakland Protesters" ~ They have torn down the fences and put up their tents again in the area that had been coordined off tonight.

    In San Francisco - the "Occupy Prostesters" have flooded into the streets, and into traffic right now.
    The area they were "camping" in is filled with human waste, urine and vomit.

    This is all helping how?

    "They" claim to be THE 99% -- of what ??


    :crossrc:
     
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    G-Com Traditional Catholic

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    Antigone The Wrath of Whatever

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    Which is not a good reason to bash their skulls in.

    Signed,
    Bull Connor.

    1. You say this in all seriousness after the banks nearly caused the US economy to collapse because they were too greedy?
    2. 'African rights?' The average black American citizen hasn't been African for eight generations.

    If you want a straight-up debate you need to stop using certain terms.
    Like 'African rights' and 'dirty hippies'.
    Apart from the fact that it's offensive it makes you sound like you've been holed up in a room since 1952 and have only just discovered the internet.
     
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  15. Searching_for_Christ

    Searching_for_Christ simul justus et peccator

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    Actually the jurry is still out on how he had his skull bashed, its not 100% positive that it was the police at all at this point, but regardless remember this is ONE incident..there where at least 1,000 people at that camp. One guy hurt out of all of that is pretty good if you asked me.







    I'm all for protesting the banks, if you can manage to do i legally. Illegally assembling on land without a permit, is not a legal way to do it. Occupy Wallstreet in NY has managed to do it legally, there is no excuse for Occupy Oakland.



    I never called them dirty hippies, I simply called them hippies (which btw..a good chunk of that group is ACTUALLY made up of folks like that) and I'm SOOO sorry that I didn't mention the American part when I mentioned African rights, lets not derail the thread with those sort of petty things.
     
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    Stray factiods of insterest:

    The US Marine Corp has an organiztion that is providing security and support for the Occupy movement : OccupyMarines.org

    40-60,000 troops will be coming home for Christmas from Iraq to 9.5 % unempolyment, no jobs and families that have been surviving on food stamps for two years. Expect more vets to be members of Occupy as time goes by.

    Call these Occupy people anything you want but the truth is they are are a varied lot in age and demographic and are highly educated:

    Occupy Wall Street Demographic Survey Results Will Surprise You | TPM Idea Lab

    Most have jobs - they just feel raped by the system they had nothing to do with building and that isn't working for them.

    They're not going away: They will likely fade some during the winter (it gets cold) but they already are working with unions and other organizations to cooridnate activites in the Spring. They are planning to be back with a vengence. They are not going away.

    The whole concept of protest is to inconvience people, including themselves, to show the depth of there anger and commitment. That's the point. They put themselves in your way, get arrest, get release and do it all over again. Until things change.

    Police and govermental violence will only make them stronger. In Oakland they've been back with more people and more depth of feeling every night since the police attacks.

    1% percent of the population, even the 1 richest percent, cannot govern the 99% of the rest of the population if that 99% refuses to be govened by them.

    How long do you really expect police department who have had their unions crushed, their health care cut, their pensioned stolen and their co-workers laid off to actually do the bidding of the the bosses that did this all to them ? Police are the 99% too.
     
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    Occupy Boston in front of the Federal Reserve. Power to the people.

    Occupy Boston - This is what democracy looks like - YouTube

    Here is a video of the Boston movement outside bank of America headquarters in the financial district. I see Black, white Asian and elderly protesting.

    Bank Of America Protests: Dozens Arrested At Company's Boston Offices - YouTube
     
  18. Simon_Templar

    Simon_Templar Not all who wander are lost

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    This is nothing but class hatred and class warfare. It is simply angry hurting people being used to accomplish some one else's agenda that will not help them in the least.

    In the end, we are where we are because of a fundamental failure of character through our society, at every level. The people have no one to blame but themselves. When the utter blindness and foolishness that has engulfed so many leads us to even worse circumstances, that will also be on the heads of the people.
     
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    Simon_Templar Not all who wander are lost

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    This is a good example of one of those commonly held nuggets of earthy wisdom which is so boneheadedly wrong that its astounding.

    Only people totally devoid of any historical knowledge could ever believe such a lie. Which is probably why it gets such wide acceptance in the US today.

    The fact of history is that 99% of the time in 99% of the places, the 99% have been ruled by the 1%.

    Furthermore... while the 99% occasionally do rise up against the 1%.. whenever they do this, the previous 1% is ALMOST WITHOUT EXCEPTION simply replaced with a new 1%.

    Ironically THE ONLY time and place where this has not been true in the ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, is in modern western civilization. Basically just Europe and the US since the 18th century.

    Every where else in the world, at every point in history, the 1% have ruled the 99%.

    The real irony of course is that here in the one of the few exceptions through out history, the so called 99% (which is really more like the 50%, even if you count all the people who think.. "yea maybe they have a point") are charging headlong down the path of surrendering control to the 1%. They, of course, are too blind, and to ignorant to recognize this fact.


    It is only deliberate self-inflicted blindness, or simple ignorance, that can allow socialists and communists to think that if they could only get their way, the 1% would go away.
    There has NEVER EVER been either a communist or a socialist country that did not have a 1%. The only real difference is that in those countries, the 99% is worse off (sometimes much worse off) and they have institutionalized barriers to prevent any of the 99% from ever rising above their station.
     
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    AMDG Tenderized for Christ

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    Good question. They certainly don't speak for me. I'm in that 53% that actually *pays* federal income tax. Heard that a good portion of OSW don't. Read one article that maybe they should call themselves the 44%. (Of course, that doesn't sound as good. ;) )
     
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