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I don't believe in evolution... (2)

Discussion in 'General Political Discussion' started by Zongerfield, Apr 1, 2011.

  1. TheReasoner

    TheReasoner Former christian, current teapot agnostic.

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    Do you think the victims of an execution walks away from the event Clirus?

    Execution means you kill the person you're executing dead. It doesn't mean you tickle them or look sternly at them.

    Look the word up in a dictionary Clirus:
    Doesn't say he should die for that.
    And what good would that do? Why this focus on killing everyone?
    Sure. You know what else works for evil to flourish? Someone confusing it with good. Like you're doing.
    Source? How does this compare to the less Christian nations Clirus? How does this compare between conservative and liberal states in the US?

    Check this map on divorce rates in the US: Divorce Rate by state. Definition, graph and map.
    Also, check teenage pregnancies:
    Teen Birth Rate per 1,000 (most recent) by state

    So.. Are you surprised we rebuke you because of your evil ways?

    Hence I don't let your support of evil pass without comment :wave:

    Yet you refuse any admonition anyone gives you. Which is not proper christian behavior, is it?
    And how does history tell us that works Clirus?

    Yet you ignore much to most of what the new testament says and even much of the old testament. Even to the point of direct contradiction.

    Do you want to execute the poor too Clirus?
    "Judge not lest ye be judged", "Love your enemies", "Do onto others as you would have them do onto you"
    Ring a bell?

    But... We formed our nation on such laws. Laws which we built on the bible, though you would certainly call them evil as they are often in direct contradiction to your ways. And now we're at the top of the HDI. We don't suffer from it, in fact it's the exact opposite.
    I say that your position is anti-christian and highly destructive.
    And yet you embrace sin like a drowning man would a piece of driftwood. Clinging to it as if it was your savior. Only in your case it's not a log, it's a crocodile.
    And you know what's really funny about that? The more you guys lean towards your conservative side the worse it gets. Oh sure you blame the liberals at every bend and turn, but why does the exact same thing show itself in other nations? When conservatives come to power there's often some destructive consequence. Esp. if these conservatives are like you are.

    Clirus, if you were right your position - which has been tried at several points in history - would have produced better nations and better systems. It has not. It has led to hunger, strife, war, revolutions and other atrocious things.
     
  2. Charlie V

    Charlie V Senior Veteran

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    Clirus did say that a man who cannot provide for his family should be executed. I believe a poor man would be an example of a man who cannot provide for his family. Not to mention men with certain health issues making him incapable of work.

    Charlie
     
  3. TheReasoner

    TheReasoner Former christian, current teapot agnostic.

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    True, that. Goodness gracious. Not only does Clirus want to take this far, she apparently thinks it's OK to take it much farther than Sodom and Gomorrah did (Read Ezekiel and tell me why those cities fell according to ol. Ez.)
    Not only does she not want to care for the poor - which we already knew - she wants to kill them. Oh, pardon. Execute. (Which still means to kill, Clirus)
     
  4. HosannaHM

    HosannaHM Reformed and Redeemed

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    Yeah i read your scripture post the first time. So in my previous post you chose to address the parts you wanted to (taking those out of context for the most part) and refusing any type of correction.

    I can see that this is not helping you. If anything stop posting, because you are a negative influence both on Christians and Non-Christians.

    I don't advocate evil; it's the very reason I'm addressing your hate-filled comments.

    Works are nice, but are you working for the will of Christ, or your own?

    We should correct the sin, not condemn the sinner
     
  5. Lion Hearted Man

    Lion Hearted Man Eternal Newbie

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    This reminds me of the Westboro Baptist Church. We are all united against them, whether we are Christian or atheist, gay or straight. In this manner, we all unite against Clirus.
     
  6. tulc

    tulc bonitas non est pessimis esse meliorem

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    To be honest, I'm not against cliris, I'm against her misuse of Scripture. :wave:
    tulc(thinks cliris sounds a lot like some members if his family) :sorry:
     
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  7. Charlie V

    Charlie V Senior Veteran

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    I'm against the proposition that we should "execute" so many people.

    I'm against the death penalty even for the reasons deemed acceptable by death-penalty advocates.

    Some of the reasons given to "execute" people, here, make me go: :tutu:
     
  8. TheReasoner

    TheReasoner Former christian, current teapot agnostic.

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    I've wondered if Clirus might be a part of that "church".
     
  9. Lion Hearted Man

    Lion Hearted Man Eternal Newbie

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    semantics; "against" meaning "standing in opposition of", and referring exclusively to clirus' ideas and not existence

    totally possible. though they usually announce who they are because they love the attention.
     
  10. TheReasoner

    TheReasoner Former christian, current teapot agnostic.

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    Maybe she's a moderate or even *gasp* liberal member of the "church"!
     
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    This is the main problem with Clirus' posts... Her manifesto is ether correct the sin, or if that fails execute the individual.

    What do you propose for those who do not follow your command to 'correct' their 'sins'?
     
  12. Nathan Poe

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    Go ahead and rebuke me, clirus -- I triple-dog-dare you.

    And that's why you reject Jesus -- because he doesn't consider you any better than anyone else.
     
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  13. Zongerfield

    Zongerfield Newbie

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    Did I say it was just my church? Or did I say it was my church along with the power and grace of God?

    Yes, my church is a conduit for the Lord, as am I. His power, his grace, his righteousness flows through many people, especially those individuals who have a special covenant with the Lord. I believe I am one of those people. In fact, my experience has confirmed this. Am I powerless without his divinity, you betcha, but he has blessed me to do his work, and I gleefully accept the task.


    Walt found the Lord, and was saved. Had he not, execution may have been an appropriate form of punishment. Pederasty is a serious offense that adversely affects many young lives.

    Because you and others seem hell bent on rebuking a fellow Christian. We Christians need to stick together, we don't need to be tearing each other down.

    I agree, and I don't believe I've presented evidence to the contrary. The power is his alone. I am just a vessel for it. I freely admit that.

    Do you wanna know what's magical? When you have a group of his vessels operating together in a coordinated effort to save wayward individuals, then you see real power and grace he has. Walt came to me in tears one day, he had a very heavy heart, he had just been released from prison and was being tempted to sin again by the demons within his soul. We read scripture together and prayed together all day to quell his impulses and it worked. It worked like magic.
     
  14. Nathan Poe

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    It would appear that His divinity doesn't carry very well over an internet connection, since you're pretty powerless here as well.

    Surely the Almighty can handle broadband?

    So because he "found Jesus," he is exempt for punishment for his crimes?

    [

    Solidarity at all costs, then?


    So where was the group? Sounds like you soloed this one.
     
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  15. Zongerfield

    Zongerfield Newbie

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    But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. - James 1:6.

    If you are willing, and if you are up for the challenge, I have a proposition to make to you.

    Tonight, at 10:00 pm EST, pray to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Ask him for mercy, ask him for forgiveness, and ask him to restore your faith in his power and his grace. And if after your prayer, you don't feel even the slightest bit touched, ie the hairs on the back of your neck don't stand up, or if you don't sense a prickling in your inner-consciousness, than you can forsake the Lord and ask him to damn you to hell.

    Does this sound like a fair proposition? I think so. In return for your participation, I will pray for you and forgive you for your sins against me and my ilk.

    Bless you. The Lord will hear you tonight and answer you if you let him into your heart.
     
  16. sdmsanjose

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    Clirus
    Stop with the (execution-Killing) word games!



    You say to look at what the Bible says and your own Bible quote proves your position is not supported by the Bible. The Bible said NOTHING about executing a man that does not provide for his own. Are you blind to the words of the Bible?

    You have for years condemned all kinds of groups and people on this forum for years. I cannot even remember them all but the few that I can name are Environmentalist, Atheist Agnostics, Blacks, War protestors, pacifists, death penalty opponents, socialist, Democrats, liberal Christians, the poor, the Catholic Church, and Christian leaders of America.

    Do you really think that God appointed you to pronounce condemnation to people that do not agree with you?

    You try to manipulate the teachings of Jesus to support your political ideas and condemnations of all sorts of people. Furthermore, you put yourself in the position of God by judging so many people and fail to emphasize the main theme of the scriptures. You claim to rely on scriptures but your posts for that last several years have not emphasized the greatest teaching of Christ.

    1 Corinthians 13:13
    And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
     
  17. Nathan Poe

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    Did it. Felt nothing.

    And since, according to the likes of you and clirus, I'm already damned to hell, it seems quite pointless to "ask" for something I'm already getting. Might as well ask God to let May follow April.

    Whatever works for you.

    Looks like He didn't -- and if the end result of that would be to become like you and/or clirus, then I'm better off. The heart cannot accept what the mind rejects.
     
  18. tulc

    tulc bonitas non est pessimis esse meliorem

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    uhmmm about the bolded portion? What sins has Nathan Poe committed against you? Or your ilk for that matter? :confused:
    tulc(unless...simply disagreeing with you is a sin?) :sorry:
     
  19. Nathan Poe

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    I think you've answered your own question, tulc.

    In any event, seeing as how the rebuke has failed, my execution can't be far behind.
     
  20. tulc

    tulc bonitas non est pessimis esse meliorem

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    Oh man that stinks! :sigh:
    uhmmmm...can I have your stuff?
    tulc(just wondering) :sorry:
     
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