How come every rule, law, industry, country seems to be against the USA right?

[Ana the Ist]

You may have a point. If Biden has open borders and the Republicans said nothing about it, do you think there were be a lot fewer people coming? In your estimation how much would that cut down on the rush in on the border?

If I were the Republicans I'd be working on a plan right now. I'd have everything put together, work with my partners in the Senate and the House, come up with something we think the president would be in board with so when Trump gets elected we are ready to go.

But the Republicans aren't that smart. To be honest I don't think they are that committed. They would rather whine about it and not do something about it.

Establishment Republicans? No. I'm surprised that the fringe right like Gaetz has held on as long as they have...

The fringe left progressives have basically caved on rooting out any corruption or pushing their agenda. The "squad" aren't smart enough to understand leverage. Remember when Gaetz asked AOC if she was ever going to vote for McCarthy back when he was trying to get Speaker? He may as well have asked if she's an idiot who doesn't see her opportunity there. She told him "no" which allowed him to squeeze McCarthy and a month later Omar and others are being kicked off committee seats. Just rock bottom dumb.

Unfortunately, I think it's only a matter of time for any fringe candidates....they can't play against the entire field forever.

 

[KCfromNC]

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Stevil said something critical of the current GOP, and you seemed incredulous that he could say that while not being a liberal or a Biden supporter.

Perhaps the implication is that membership in the current GOP doesn't allow for any independent thought?

 

[BPPLEE]

Perhaps the implication is that membership in the current GOP doesn't allow for any independent thought?

The implication is that he is critical of the right and supportive of the left no matter what he calls himself.

 

[KCfromNC]

The implication is that he is critical of the right and supportive of the left no matter what he calls himself.

Critical of the view on certain right wing talking pointsbeat to death here, while also noting the lack of discussion of a number of other topics that might separate the left and right.

The conclusion that disagreeing with even that particular bit of right wing spin makes one an enemy of the GOP is in line with my previous post.

 

[BPPLEE]

Critical of the view on certain right wing talking pointsbeat to death here, while also noting the lack of discussion of a number of other topics that might separate the left and right.

The conclusion that disagreeing with even that particular bit of right wing spin makes one an enemy of the GOP is in line with my previous post.

Circle the wagons! I didn’t call anyone an enemy and he is capable of speaking for himself.
Thanks for your concern though

 

[stevil]

Okay, I won’t try to label you but your comments about the right revealed how you judge them.
Throwing out “ but not all of them“ doesn’t make it okay

I don't judge people on the right or people on the left. There in nothing wrong with wanting unions or not wanting unions. Nothing wrong with wanting progressive tax rates or flat tax rates. I don't see people as right or left. I don't see myself that way. I have no affinity to any party or ideology. I find it disgusting the way USA right wing opinion media talk. Blaming everything on the left. Calling them nicknames, generalizing, mischaracterising, lying. You don't get that in mainstream media.

 

[stevil]

Circle the wagons! I didn’t call anyone an enemy and he is capable of speaking for himself.
Thanks for your concern though

Kyc gets it. It's good to know what I am saying is understandable by some at least.

 

[BPPLEE]

I don't judge people on the right or people on the left. There in nothing wrong with wanting unions or not wanting unions. Nothing wrong with wanting progressive tax rates or flat tax rates. I don't see people as right or left. I don't see myself that way. I have no affinity to any party or ideology. I find it disgusting the way USA right wing opinion media talk. Blaming everything on the left. Calling them nicknames, generalizing, mischaracterising, lying. You don't get that in mainstream media.

But you have generalized and mischaracterized the right in some of your posts and then you deny it and refuse to see it.
You don’t see people on the right or the left? Your posts suggest otherwise .I have already given you examples so I don’t see how continuing to debate this will be productive, you just don’t get it. That’s fine.

 

[stevil]

But you have generalized and mischaracterized the right in some of your posts and then you deny it and refuse to see it.
You don’t see people on the right or the left? Your posts suggest otherwise .I have already given you examples so I don’t see how continuing to debate this will be productive, you just don’t get it. That’s fine.

You constantly spin and mischaracterise what I say, unfortunately

 

[BPPLEE]

I was referring to the royal "you", but your comment about the invasion is in that direction.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1750995925831487510

 

[BPPLEE]

You constantly spin and mischaracterise what I say, unfortunately

Here is what you said, copied and pasted

“The thing about USA politics is that not many USA right wing folk talk about economic policies, they seem singularly focused on rights.
Rights to be selfish (a.k.a. don't force me to wear a mask to save others, don't force me to get vaccinated to save others, don't tax me to help the poor, don't tax me to prevent unwanted pregnancies, don't tax me to pay for abortions, don't take my guns away, don't force trans or gay into my view, don't encrouch on my religious liberties).
But they also are ideoligists (what about 1st amendment, what about 2nd ammendment)
and they seem very insecure or scared about the country being open to other religions or non religions other than Christianity
and they seem very insecure or scared about people that don't look like them and don't share the same culture as them. They seem to want to protect the current state, the status quo, and are worried about white Christians being "replaced".

I don't share any or these traits or concerns.

But my main problem, and perhaps why I spend so much time here. It all the lies that they believe, all the mischaracterisations, it's pretty weird. I don't see anywhere near that level coming from the USA left. When you watch non right wing media it is about specifics. Trump did this today, Guiliani did this, Bannon did this, but when you watch USA right wing media it is the radical left are doing this, they hate the country, they are out to get you, they're going to take your guns, they cancel you, they ban you from social media, they have open borders because they want to destroy the USA. It's insane, and it never stops.”

.Those are your words. I have no need to add to them, spin or mischaracterize them and I haven’t. Anyone who can read can see the bias here. Your post is prejudiced against people on the right

 

[Ana the Ist]

It's very difficult to take any report from James Comer seriously. The guy has been embarrasingly unproffessional and dishonest in his efforts to tie Joe Biden to any corruption in the impeachment investigation that he has been leading. He has willingly misrepresented data, misrepresented close door testimony. They guy isn't even trying to be honest. He is a partisan hack.

You asked for evidence.

 

[Ana the Ist]

If you are actually interested in my thoughts on fiscal, and govt intervention in the market place, or on big govt vs small govt then ask. But nobody on this forum on the right talks about such things, they just want to talk about Trans, woke, Southern border, guns, masks, covid vaccinations, BLM, antifa

Ok...what do you think the government's relationship with indigenous populations should be?

That's something our nations have in common.

What do you think your nation should do going forward?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Here is what you said, copied and pasted

“The thing about USA politics is that not many USA right wing folk talk about economic policies, they seem singularly focused on rights.
Rights to be selfish (a.k.a. don't force me to wear a mask to save others, don't force me to get vaccinated to save others, don't tax me to help the poor, don't tax me to prevent unwanted pregnancies, don't tax me to pay for abortions, don't take my guns away, don't force trans or gay into my view, don't encrouch on my religious liberties).
But they also are ideoligists (what about 1st amendment, what about 2nd ammendment)
and they seem very insecure or scared about the country being open to other religions or non religions other than Christianity
and they seem very insecure or scared about people that don't look like them and don't share the same culture as them. They seem to want to protect the current state, the status quo, and are worried about white Christians being "replaced".

I don't share any or these traits or concerns.

But my main problem, and perhaps why I spend so much time here. It all the lies that they believe, all the mischaracterisations, it's pretty weird. I don't see anywhere near that level coming from the USA left. When you watch non right wing media it is about specifics. Trump did this today, Guiliani did this, Bannon did this, but when you watch USA right wing media it is the radical left are doing this, they hate the country, they are out to get you, they're going to take your guns, they cancel you, they ban you from social media, they have open borders because they want to destroy the USA. It's insane, and it never stops.”

.Those are your words. I have no need to add to them, spin or mischaracterize them and I haven’t. Anyone who can read can see the bias here. Your post is prejudiced against people on the right

I have to agree...and this is part of what I was saying earlier about the death of intellectualism on the left.

I think @stevil genuinely thinks he's made valid criticisms and not broad character attacks....because the left literally has no one left to make a real argument anymore. They only have personal attacks that are largely based on nothing.

 

[A2SG]

I have to agree...and this is part of what I was saying earlier about the death of intellectualism on the left.

I think @stevil genuinely thinks he's made valid criticisms and not broad character attacks....because the left literally has no one left to make a real argument anymore. They only have personal attacks that are largely based on nothing.

-- A2SG, lose so many meters that way....

 

[MrMoe]

I don't live in USA, I don't support Democratic Party or Republican Party, couldn't care less about the parties.

Try not to fit me into USA political boxes.
In my country, I've voted for left, I've voted for right, I've voted for centre. I do not consider myself affiliated with any party.
I'm not idealogical, I consider myself pragmatic.
I'm not scared of Capitalism, I'm not scared of Socialism. I prefer a Mixed economy.

You may not hold an affiliation to any American political party, but it's obvious that you have a very left wing bias.

The thing about USA politics is that not many USA right wing folk talk about economic policies, they seem singularly focused on rights.

Maybe because rights are very important to them. Also, this is just anecdotal evidence. I've heard plenty of right wing folk talk about economic policies.

Rights to be selfish (a.k.a. don't force me to wear a mask to save others, don't force me to get vaccinated to save others,

What happened to "my body, my choice"?

don't tax me to help the poor,

I've never heard a right winger say this. What I have heard is that conservatives and Christians (who are more likely to be right wing) give more to charity than their left wing counterparts.

don't tax me to prevent unwanted pregnancies, don't tax me to pay for abortions,

Maybe right wingers aren't fans of having to pay for the killing of unborn babies.

don't take my guns away, don't force trans or gay into my view, don't encrouch on my religious liberties).
But they also are ideoligists (what about 1st amendment, what about 2nd ammendment)

So you're okay with taking away something someone paid for, forcing trans and gay views on people and encroached upon peoples religious liberties?

and they seem very insecure or scared about the country being open to other religions or non religions other than Christianity

Because Christians see Christianity as the one true religion. The same way Muslims see Islam as the one true religion.

Would you describe majority Muslim countries as very insecure or scared about the country being open to other religions or non religions other than Islam?

and they seem very insecure or scared about people that don't look like them and don't share the same culture as them. They seem to want to protect the current state, the status quo, and are worried about white Christians being "replaced".

I've never heard a right winger put a race on Christianity. If you were talking specifically about the KKK then you'd be right, but you're talking about the right in general, and I've never seen any focus on "white Christians" only, coming from the right.

I don't share any or these traits or concerns.

But my main problem, and perhaps why I spend so much time here. It all the lies that they believe, all the mischaracterisations,

This is very ironic given how you've mischaracterized right wingers.

 

[BPPLEE]

I don't judge people on the right or people on the left. There in nothing wrong with wanting unions or not wanting unions. Nothing wrong with wanting progressive tax rates or flat tax rates. I don't see people as right or left. I don't see myself that way. I have no affinity to any party or ideology. I find it disgusting the way USA right wing opinion media talk. Blaming everything on the left. Calling them nicknames, generalizing, mischaracterising, lying. You don't get that in mainstream media.

I think you may be comparing commentary with news If you don’t think the left has vile commentary about the right you must not have watched Joy Reid, The View or most shows on MSNBC
@stevil said “When you watch non right wing media it is about specifics. Trump did this today, Guiliani did this, Bannon did this,…”
You gave examples of what mainstream media are covering. It’s true that they are Obsessed with Trump and anyone associated with him as your example shows

 

[stevil]

I think @stevil genuinely thinks he's made valid criticisms and not broad character attacks....because the left literally has no one left to make a real argument anymore. They only have personal attacks that are largely based on nothing.

Only, I'm not on the left.

 

[stevil]

I think you may be comparing commentary with news If you don’t think the left has vile commentary about the right you must not have watched Joy Reid, The View or most shows on MSNBC

I've seen Joy Reid, she's pretty decent. The view is pretty decent, but I don't watch these shows much. They don't do at all what Tucker, Hannity, Piro, Ingram do. They don't come up with nick names for the right. Hannity is always saying "The Radical left"
They don't just paint the right, they speak in specifics, Trump said this, Guiliani said this, Not "The right hate our country" "The right want to take your guns"....

 

[stevil]

Ok...what do you think the government's relationship with indigenous populations should be?

That's something our nations have in common.

What do you think your nation should do going forward?

That's a very complex question, you could start a thread on it, rather than derail this one.
Be interested, will it be about Maoriori or Maori, or just indigiounus people regardless of what county, or will it be a comparison about how NZ deal with Maori and how USA deal with the native American Indians, The African Americans weren't indigiounous they were brought over on slave ships and have been treated terribly ever since, but are we just to focus on indigionous or minorities.

Again this is all social stuff, nothing to do with financial or free market vs govt intervention.