Government run death care trial run in Oregon

[wlajoie74]

what about this that is not my opinion but fact [except the part about being blind part]

I think what you guys are missing in this story is that she could have gone with a private insurance company that would have provided the drug for her.

Unfortunately the problem is that a private insurance company probably would have never accepted her because of her pre-existing condition and if they had it would have cost her to the tune of 5-10 thousand a month. If she could afford that she would have been better off just paying cash for her scrip and keeping her FREE state coverage.

Look people you are the ones who are blind here. You obviously have no clue as to how expensive and non existent private health insurance is for people who have long term/terminal illnesses. This is because most of these people already have government provided insurance[medicare/medicaid], because they can't afford and can't get private insurance.

In this case the state couldn't afford to pay for such an expensive experimental scrip for someone who was only going to live a few more months anyways and brought this sickness upon herself by smoking her whole life. It was more productive for them to put it towards something else. instead they offered to make the rest of her stay here on earth as comfortable as possible through either drugs, or if she chose euthanasia.

Another thing that I didn't read in this story is that the pharmaceutical company ended up providing the experimental medication to her free of charge. The pharm companies promise that they will continue to do this to the tune 80 billion dollars worth of free medication to people if the public OPTION passes.

 

[Hearts Alive]

No, not if it's their opinion.

true, but cabal and kiwimac saying that my opinion IS ROT, is wrong no?

 

[wlajoie74]

true, but cabal and kiwimac saying that my opinion IS ROT, is wrong no?

they could have used a little more tact, but people misreading, misinterpreting and being duped by this mass false information campaign by certain media outlets pushing their own agenda can geta little frustrating sometimes. they are only human please forgive them hearts.can we get back to the subject at hand now,please

 

[pgp_protector]

true, but cabal and kiwimac saying that my opinion IS ROT, is wrong no?

In my opinion ? No it's not wrong.

 

[brinny]

and it s-l-o-w-l-y un-folds.....

carry on.

 

[Hearts Alive]

In my opinion ? No it's not wrong.

OK, Fine, moving on..............

 

[Hearts Alive]

they could have used a little more tact, but people misreading, misinterpreting and being duped by this mass false information campaign by certain media outlets pushing their own agenda can geta little frustrating sometimes. they are only human please forgive them hearts.can we get back to the subject at hand now,please

I do forgive them, what was the subject at hand again? got a little side tracked

 

[wlajoie74]

this

I think what you guys are missing in this story is that she could have gone with a private insurance company that would have provided the drug for her.

Unfortunately the problem is that a private insurance company probably would have never accepted her because of her pre-existing condition and if they had it would have cost her to the tune of 5-10 thousand a month. If she could afford that she would have been better off just paying cash for her scrip and keeping her FREE state coverage.

Look people you are the ones who are blind here. You obviously have no clue as to how expensive and non existent private health insurance is for people who have long term/terminal illnesses. This is because most of these people already have government provided insurance[medicare/medicaid], because they can't afford and can't get private insurance.

In this case the state couldn't afford to pay for such an expensive experimental scrip for someone who was only going to live a few more months anyways and brought this sickness upon herself by smoking her whole life. It was more productive for them to put it towards something else. instead they offered to make the rest of her stay here on earth as comfortable as possible through either drugs, or if she chose euthanasia.

Another thing that I didn't read in this story is that the pharmaceutical company ended up providing the experimental medication to her free of charge. The pharm companies promise that they will continue to do this to the tune 80 billion dollars worth of free medication to people if the public OPTION passes.

 

[Hearts Alive]

ahh yes, the government using their muscle on insurance companies and banks, instead of its own people, and not protecting its corporate intrests( money enslaves so many) would be great(but will never happen) additionally obamacare will cost people MORE $, because you will your premium as normal, then your taxes will increase to pay for his "reform" so in the end the same people will be getting your money, and more of it to boot

 

[tulc]

and it s-l-o-w-l-y un-folds.....

carry on.

I'm assuming this post actually is about the OP and not about what rot means?
Oh and by the way:

rot

  /rɒt/ Pronunciation [rot] Show IPA verb, rot⋅ted, rot⋅ting, noun, interjection

–verb (used without object)
1. to undergo decomposition; decay.
2. to deteriorate, disintegrate, fall, or become weak due to decay (often fol. by away, from, off, etc.).
3. to languish, as in confinement.
4. to become morally corrupt or offensive.

–verb (used with object)
5. to cause to rot: Dampness rots wood.
6. to cause moral decay in; cause to become morally corrupt.
7. to ret (flax, hemp, etc.).

–noun
8. the process of rotting.
9. the state of being rotten; decay; putrefaction: the rot of an old house.
10. rotting or rotten matter: the rot and waste of a swamp. 11. moral or social decay or corruption.
12. Pathology. any disease characterized by decay.
13. Plant Pathology. a. any of various forms of decay produced by fungi or bacteria. b. any disease so characterized.
14. Veterinary Pathology. a bacterial infection of sheep and cattle characterized by decay of the hoofs, caused by Fusobacterium necrophorum in cattle and Bacteroides nodosus in sheep.
15. nonsense.

–interjection
16. (used to express disagreement.)

I believe #15 or #16 is what's meant when kiwimac and cabal say something is "rot".
tulc(just in case anyone is interested)

 

[wlajoie74]

c'mon guys, can we get back to something more constructive, PLEASE
I'm begging you here.

I think what you guys are missing in this story is that she could have gone with a private insurance company that would have provided the drug for her.

Unfortunately the problem is that a private insurance company probably would have never accepted her because of her pre-existing condition and if they had it would have cost her to the tune of 5-10 thousand a month. If she could afford that she would have been better off just paying cash for her scrip and keeping her FREE state coverage.

Look people you are the ones who are blind here. You obviously have no clue as to how expensive and non existent private health insurance is for people who have long term/terminal illnesses. This is because most of these people already have government provided insurance[medicare/medicaid], because they can't afford and can't get private insurance.

In this case the state couldn't afford to pay for such an expensive experimental scrip for someone who was only going to live a few more months anyways and brought this sickness upon herself by smoking her whole life. It was more productive for them to put it towards something else. instead they offered to make the rest of her stay here on earth as comfortable as possible through either drugs, or if she chose euthanasia.

Another thing that I didn't read in this story is that the pharmaceutical company ended up providing the experimental medication to her free of charge. The pharm companies promise that they will continue to do this to the tune 80 billion dollars worth of free medication to people if the public OPTION passes.

 

[Hammster]

bumping for reopen.

 

[Yarddog]

REFUSE, RESIST, UNITE, PERSIST, stand up for your rights, how has apathy worked out thus far?

Okay, just to find out everyone's stance on this issue, what do you propose to be done?

The woman could not afford the Private Insurance because she is poor. The state provided her with Insurance. Should Oregon had left her to battle her cancer with no insurance? Or should the state had provided her with Insurance, which they did?

Oregon is the only state that has an assisted suicide law and the cost for that would be $50 as compared to $4000 for each month which the drugs help her to live, which is projected at about 6 months.

Should be state increase taxes to pay for the cost to all patients who need all drugs needed for every illness? Or should their Health Plan be dropped and everybody in Oregon be left to fend for all their own insurance needs.

In this case, she would have died years ago.

 

[Athene]

.... but they'll let her have a cheaper operation instead which will give her permanent and irreversible brain damage.

Insurance Won't Pay NorCal Mom's Cancer Treatment - cbs5.com

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Missouri woman denied cancer treatment because insurance company says it's 'experimental'.

ABC News: Fighting Insurance Co. to Pay for Cancer Drug

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Man dies after insurance company denies treatment, his insurance company even refused to pay for oral morphine to ease his pain as he lay there dying in agony.

Man Dies After Insurance Co. Refuses To Cover Treatment - Health News Story - KMBC Kansas City

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People get denied cancer treatment on government ran health care and on private health care. If government ran health care schemes earn themselves the title of 'death care' because a woman is denied cancer treatment which would only extend her life by two months then what on earth do you call the health care plans offered by private insurance companies who cheerfully deny treatment that would extend life by years?

What do you call a health care industry that forces dying people to fight and fight and fight to get their treatment covered? Sometimes it's too late - they die having spent their last months fighting with their insurance company to get treatment covered

 

[tulc]

What do you call a health care industry that forces dying people to fight and fight and fight to get their treatment covered? Sometimes it's too late - they die having spent their last months fighting with their insurance company to get treatment covered

Some call it "The best health care system in the world!!"
tulc(excellent post!)