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Below find : 5 Bible translations PRE 1611 KJV that ALL say departure not falling away.
A falling away/departure from what? The christian faith or the earth?
KJV Dictionary Definition: DEPARTURE, n.
1. The act of going away; a moving from or leaving a place; as a departure from London.
The time of my departure is at hand. 2 Tim. 4.
(MY NOTE: act of going away, leaving a place, departing from a place. Nothing about apostasy mentioned in KJ Bible Dictionary Definition for departure
1599 Geneva Bible
2 Thessalonians 2:
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our assembling unto him,
(MY NOTE: Assembling/gathered up together UNTO him/Christ. The catching-up in 1 Thes 4:16-17 is the biggest single gathering at/to that point in time/history)
2 That ye be not suddenly moved from your mind, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as it were from us, as though the day of Christ were at hand.
(MY NOTE: John 14:1-3 Jesus while explaining His coming for the Church says be not troubled. 2nly the Day of the Lord lasts 1000 yrs. See 2 Pet 3:8 & Ps 90:4. The Day of the Lord starts with the 70th week of Daniel/7 years of tribulation. Thes 2:4-5 teach the departure/catching-up/rapture must come before the man of sin is revealed & the tribulation begins)
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.
(MY NOTE: I've posted here 4 Bibles written before 1611 KJV. They all say a departure (catching-up = rapture) comes first. Then the man of sin will be revealed)
4 Which is an adversary, and exalteth himself against all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he doth sit as God in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
(MY NOTE: The revealing of the man of sin will happen after the Churches departure)
5 Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
(MY NOTE: Again read John 14:1-3)
6 And now ye know what withholdeth, that he might be revealed in his time.
(MY NOTE: The Holy Spirit of God is the only Person with the supernatural power/authority to do this restraining)
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he which now withholdeth, shall let till he be taken out of the way.
(MY NOTE: It's the Holy Spirit Who lives/dwells within each believer that is withholding/restraining the son of perdition/man of sins arrival. When Christ's Holy Spirit filled Body of Christ/Church departs/is caught-up/raptured. Then no restraints for sin remain. The man of sin will simultaneously be cast out of heaven Rev 12:7 and hurled to earth)
Genesis 6:3 (A) The LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh:
Find 4 more pre 1611 Bible translations stating departure, not a falling away
1526 Tyndale Bible
2 Thessalonians 2:3 (B) ""the lorde commeth not excepte ther come a departynge fyrst"" and that that synfnll man be opened ye sonne of perdicion
1537 Matthews Bible
2 Thessalonians 2:3 (B) ""the Lord cometh not/except ther come a departure"" that the sinfull man opened/the son of perdition
Miles Coverdale Bible (1535)
2 Thes 2:3 Let noman disceaue you by eny meanes. For the LORD commeth not, ""except the departynge come 1st"" and that that Man of synne be opened, euen the sonne of perdicion,
1540 The Great Bible
2 Thessalonians 2:3 (B) ""the lord comes not except a departure first"", and the sinfull man be showed, son of perdition,
The great tribulation to come is called the time of Jacobs/Israels trouble Jer 30:7.
Find supporting scripture on Gods people (Body of Christ/Church) escaping wrath:
We see here the church escaping the wrath of the great tribulation soon to be poured out
1 Thes 1:10, And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even ""Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come""
Rom 5:9 being now justified by his blood ""we shall be saved from wrath"" through him
1 thes 5:9 ""God hath not appointed us to wrath"" but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ
The angels couldn’t destroy Sodom and Gomorrah until Lot and his family were clear
Noah and his family were delivered from wrath before the flood came
Isa 26:
20 "Come my people, enter our chambers & shut the door behind you, "hide yourself until the indignation is past"
(MY NOTE: God's people are to enter our chambers. Our bridal chambers? To hide from God's coming indignation/wrath/judgement on unbelievers)
21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
(MY NOTE: The LORD cometh out of his place to punish the Christ rejecting/unbelievers of the earth for their iniquity/sins)
MY NOTE: "Not" to punish believers/church, their iniquity/sins were forgiven & nailed to His Cross. The believers/church will be hidden away with their Bridegroom. Believers/The Bride/Body of Church have peace & reconciliation, via belief/FAITH placed in Christ's redemptive sin atoning sacrifice. Found in Christ's death, burial & resurrection 1 Cor 15:1-4.
At the physical return/2nd advent when Jesus returns & STANDS on MT. Olive. The caught-up/raptured saints are with the Lord.
Zec 14:
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
(MY NOTE: When Jesus returns HIS FEET shall stand on Mt Olives (same place he ascended from Acts 1:9-11)
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
(MY NOTE: The LORD my God shall come & all the saints are with him).
A falling away/departure from what? The christian faith or the earth?
KJV Dictionary Definition: DEPARTURE, n.
1. The act of going away; a moving from or leaving a place; as a departure from London.
The time of my departure is at hand. 2 Tim. 4.
(MY NOTE: act of going away, leaving a place, departing from a place. Nothing about apostasy mentioned in KJ Bible Dictionary Definition for departure
1599 Geneva Bible
2 Thessalonians 2:
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our assembling unto him,
(MY NOTE: Assembling/gathered up together UNTO him/Christ. The catching-up in 1 Thes 4:16-17 is the biggest single gathering at/to that point in time/history)
2 That ye be not suddenly moved from your mind, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as it were from us, as though the day of Christ were at hand.
(MY NOTE: John 14:1-3 Jesus while explaining His coming for the Church says be not troubled. 2nly the Day of the Lord lasts 1000 yrs. See 2 Pet 3:8 & Ps 90:4. The Day of the Lord starts with the 70th week of Daniel/7 years of tribulation. Thes 2:4-5 teach the departure/catching-up/rapture must come before the man of sin is revealed & the tribulation begins)
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.
(MY NOTE: I've posted here 4 Bibles written before 1611 KJV. They all say a departure (catching-up = rapture) comes first. Then the man of sin will be revealed)
4 Which is an adversary, and exalteth himself against all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he doth sit as God in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
(MY NOTE: The revealing of the man of sin will happen after the Churches departure)
5 Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
(MY NOTE: Again read John 14:1-3)
6 And now ye know what withholdeth, that he might be revealed in his time.
(MY NOTE: The Holy Spirit of God is the only Person with the supernatural power/authority to do this restraining)
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he which now withholdeth, shall let till he be taken out of the way.
(MY NOTE: It's the Holy Spirit Who lives/dwells within each believer that is withholding/restraining the son of perdition/man of sins arrival. When Christ's Holy Spirit filled Body of Christ/Church departs/is caught-up/raptured. Then no restraints for sin remain. The man of sin will simultaneously be cast out of heaven Rev 12:7 and hurled to earth)
Genesis 6:3 (A) The LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh:
Find 4 more pre 1611 Bible translations stating departure, not a falling away
1526 Tyndale Bible
2 Thessalonians 2:3 (B) ""the lorde commeth not excepte ther come a departynge fyrst"" and that that synfnll man be opened ye sonne of perdicion
1537 Matthews Bible
2 Thessalonians 2:3 (B) ""the Lord cometh not/except ther come a departure"" that the sinfull man opened/the son of perdition
Miles Coverdale Bible (1535)
2 Thes 2:3 Let noman disceaue you by eny meanes. For the LORD commeth not, ""except the departynge come 1st"" and that that Man of synne be opened, euen the sonne of perdicion,
1540 The Great Bible
2 Thessalonians 2:3 (B) ""the lord comes not except a departure first"", and the sinfull man be showed, son of perdition,
The great tribulation to come is called the time of Jacobs/Israels trouble Jer 30:7.
Find supporting scripture on Gods people (Body of Christ/Church) escaping wrath:
We see here the church escaping the wrath of the great tribulation soon to be poured out
1 Thes 1:10, And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even ""Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come""
Rom 5:9 being now justified by his blood ""we shall be saved from wrath"" through him
1 thes 5:9 ""God hath not appointed us to wrath"" but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ
The angels couldn’t destroy Sodom and Gomorrah until Lot and his family were clear
Noah and his family were delivered from wrath before the flood came
Isa 26:
20 "Come my people, enter our chambers & shut the door behind you, "hide yourself until the indignation is past"
(MY NOTE: God's people are to enter our chambers. Our bridal chambers? To hide from God's coming indignation/wrath/judgement on unbelievers)
21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
(MY NOTE: The LORD cometh out of his place to punish the Christ rejecting/unbelievers of the earth for their iniquity/sins)
MY NOTE: "Not" to punish believers/church, their iniquity/sins were forgiven & nailed to His Cross. The believers/church will be hidden away with their Bridegroom. Believers/The Bride/Body of Church have peace & reconciliation, via belief/FAITH placed in Christ's redemptive sin atoning sacrifice. Found in Christ's death, burial & resurrection 1 Cor 15:1-4.
At the physical return/2nd advent when Jesus returns & STANDS on MT. Olive. The caught-up/raptured saints are with the Lord.
Zec 14:
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
(MY NOTE: When Jesus returns HIS FEET shall stand on Mt Olives (same place he ascended from Acts 1:9-11)
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
(MY NOTE: The LORD my God shall come & all the saints are with him).
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