When you say that salvation is by faith plus works, what do you mean?
When you say that salvation is by faith plus works, what do you mean?
When you say that salvation is by faith plus works, what do you mean?
"Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only?" - James 2:24
God gives the grace, but one must cooperate with that grace for salvation.
When you say that salvation is by faith plus works, what do you mean?
The key is understanding how Sanctification also plays a part in the salvation process is understanding that it is God or Christ doing the good work in you and it is not you alone doing that good work. So all glory, praise, and thanks goes to Jesus for any good done in our lives and it is not ourselves.
After we are saved by God's grace,
God’s works (done through us) are also required as a part of the Salvation Process:
(Here are a List of Verses):
“Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24).
"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (James 2:17-18).
"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).
"If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, "(1 Timothy 6:3-4).
"...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble." (James 4:6).
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? (Romans 6:1-2).
"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." (Hebrews 5:9).
"Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14).
“...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth” (2 Thessalonians 2:13).
“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).
"If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha." (1 Corinthians 16:22).
"If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15).
“If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.” (John 15:10).
"And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me." (Matthew 10:38).
”If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? (Matthew 16:24-26).
"...No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." (Luke 9:62).
“Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.” (Matthew 5:8).
"Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls." (James 1:21).
"But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:8-11).
”And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” (Revelation 22:12-15).
"For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (John 3:20).
“For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22).
"...but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17).
“Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (Philippians 2:12).
“...And having become servants of God, ye have your fruit unto holiness and the end, everlasting life.” (Romans 6:22).
”Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.” (Matthew 25:34-40).
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” (Matthew 25:41-46).
”His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” (Matthew 25:21).
”And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 25:30).
”Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation [i.e. as the people of Israel did when they rebelled against him in the desert.”] (Hebrews 3:12-15) (Note: The explanation on verse 15 in brackets is taken from the Living Bible Translation (TLB)).
”Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)” (Hebrews 3:10-11).
”Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (Hebrews 4:11).
“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).
“He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8:47).
Verses on the Error of Christians saying they cannot walk uprightly:
Jesus says,
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven" (Matthew 5:16).
Jesus also says,
"You give glory to my Father when you produce a lot of fruit and therefore show that you are my disciples." (John 15:8 GW).
And Peter says,
"Be careful to live properly among your unbelieving neighbors. Then even if they accuse you of doing wrong, they will see your honorable behavior, and they will give honor to God when he judges the world." (1 Peter 2:12 NLT).
Paul says,
"That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" (Philippians 2:15).
A Short Break-down of Faith and Works in Regards to Salvation:
Ephesians 2:8-9 and Titus 3:5 are basically saying we are not saved by "Works Alone Salvationism." James 2:24 is saying we are not saved by "Belief Alone Salvationism" (or Faith Alone as the Bible says).
Both Ephesians 2 and Titus 3 can be read as talking about "Initial Salvation" and or "Ultimate Salvation"; And not Sanctification (as its primary focus). James 2 can be read as talking about Sanctification as its primary focus; And not "Initial Salvation or Ultimate Salvation.
I believe a person re-reading these chapters honestly in prayer with God will understand this fact.
As for Romans 3, Romans 4, and Galatians 2, Galatians 3:
Well, I believe these are all talking about how we are not to go back to the Old Testament Law of Moses as a whole or "Law Alone Salvationism." Granted, we are to keep the Moral Law (like: Do not murder, do not steal, do not covet) because these are basics in loving or doing good and they are laws that have been repeated in the New Covenant. For this is why Paul condemned "Circumcision Salvationism." (See Galatians 5:2, cf. Romans 3:1). In fact, in the Jerusalem council in Acts 15, we discover that they addressed the problem of trying to be justified in being circumcised to be saved and or going back to the Law of Moses for salvation (See Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24; Also see Galatians 2:3).
Some people like to think that when Paul uses the word "Law" in a negative way (in regards to salvation), they erroneously think that he is also talking about the Moral Law or in loving your neighbor, too. But Paul says that if a person does certain sins (like the breaking of the Moral Law) in Galatians 5:19-21, and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, they will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
So yes. You actually have to be good as a part of being in God's Kingdom. For if we did not have to live holy as a part of salvation (After being saved by God's grace), then we can be axe murdering rapists who believe on Jesus. But surely that cannot be. For God is good; And His people are good, too.
It's synergistic. We cooperate with God.
Hi David/Anna, so in the end, it's our "cooperation" w/God that actually saves us, rather than His grace (or do you believe that God gives His saving grace to certain individuals and withholds it from others)?God gives the grace, but one must cooperate with that grace for salvation.
How is this different from the Pelagian heresy?
Do our good works contribute to meriting our salvation or are they a natural result and component of our salvation?
Hi Tree, well, I don't say that. I know this seems to be a little cryptic at first blush, but this is as close as it gets for me: "We are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" ~CalvinWhen you say that salvation is by faith plus works, what do you mean?
Pegagianism is the belief that:
1. Adam's sin did not effect future generations.
2. The beginning half of faith is an act of free will by man.
3. The increase of faith is an act of free will by man.
Semi Pelagianism is the belief that:
1. Adam's sin somewhat effected future generations.
2. The beginning half of the faith is an act of free will by man.
3. The increase of faith (growing in faith) is an act of God.
I believe in Prevenient Grace. This is the belief taught in the Bible that God draws us and we respond by to this drawing of our own free will.
See Prevenient Grace here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevenient_grace
Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semipelagianism
https://www.gotquestions.org/Pelagianism.html
Does it really matter? A person needs works and holiness one way or the other or they are not saved. For the unprofitable servant was cast into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 25:30); And without holiness no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14). For Christ is the author of eternal salvation to all who OBEY Him (Hebrews 5:9). Did you look at the verses I presented carefully or did you just glaze over them? Please go back and carefully consider what they say and give me an explanation so as to how they fit your belief.
I understand Prevenient Grace to be the doctrine that God gives an initial grace which allows people to respond to the gospel freely, but then the next steps depends on their free response which is totally up to the individual. Is this your position?
It would be like God giving us a hand to avoid falling into a pit but if we don't do anything then we will fall.Hi David/Anna, so in the end, it's our "cooperation" w/God that actually saves us, rather than His grace (or do you believe that God gives His saving grace to certain individuals and withholds it from others)?
Thanks!
--David
Romans 11.
6 If it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
What I do say is that salvation is by faith alone, which is code (if you will) for salvation is by Christ alone. We need to be forgiven and have our sins atoned for, and we need to be both innocent and righteous, and He (and the work He did on behalf of the saints) is what makes all of that possible. IOW, He is our only innocence, our only righteousness, and the only atonement/satisfaction for our sins before our Holy God.Hi Tree, well, I don't say that. I know this seems to be a little cryptic at first blush, but this is as close as it gets for me: "We are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" ~Calvin
One can still boast on faith. I heard people saying they are glad they are not part of a religion.It matters a great deal.
If our good works merit salvation for us then it is no longer by grace. It's something we've partially earned and we have grounds for boasting.
But if even our good works are a gracious gift from God, then all glory goes to God and salvation is entirely of God's free grace.
Either God saves us out of free grace or he saves us because we, in part, deserve to be saved.
One can still boast on faith. I heard people saying they are glad they are not part of a religion.
What I do say is that salvation is by faith alone, which is code (if you will) for salvation is by Christ alone. We need to be forgiven and have our sins atoned for, and we need to be both innocent and righteous, and He (and the work He did on behalf of the saints) is what makes that possible. IOW, He is our only innocence, our only righteousness, and the only atonement/satisfaction for our sins before our Holy God.
--David
2 Corinthians 5
21 ..He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
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