Ezekiel's Temple

[HannibalFlavius]

HannibelF said,
Israel is the 12 tribes. No distinction.
But Paul is saying that some of natural Israel were being cut off bc of unbelief.

The requirement for being saved was for them to have faith in Christ.

They didn't. Paul wishes that some would be saved bc he loves Israel bc he is a natural Jew too.
However, It is what God the Father determines that settles the matter.
Jesus came for judgment upon natural Israel

God always kept a remnant for His holy name from Israel.
However,
Jesus "came into his own & his own received him not"

Those were the Jews of the first century who did not believe on the Messiah (as the apostle Jews, etc did)

The Pharisees called themselves Jews & sons of Abraham, but Jesus told them that their father was the author of lies, the devil, not Abraham.

So those are the wicked Jews in that generation that Jesus is speaking about in His ministry.

Even Jesus lamented over Jerusalem (Luke 19)

Ask yourself why.

It's bc Jerusalem & the "holy people" were going to be shattered by the Romans in AD67. Culminating with their temple.

Judgment was predetermined in God's plan well beforehand in the OT.

He had hardened a part of Israel forever. Only a remnant would be saved,

I submit that the 144,000 are representative of the saved remnant.

The rest of the story can't be discussed here bc I am a full preterist.

There has always been a distinction Coraline, if you don't know that, Then you must not be familiar with both kingdoms which were two separate people with two separate religions with two separate cities of Holiness, 2 separate Temples.

There is always a distinction in all the prophecies concerning the two.

They are always separate.

God did not spare the evil kingdom of Israel because they worshipped Baal and married Gentiles.

History is history, but nobody can make you study the history.

Just like those 7000 are of Israel and not Judah.

There is a GREAT distinction in the events of Elijah.

The Jews of Judah were not there when Elijah called fir down from heaven.

There are 2 separate kingdoms with 2 separate kings.

One followed the Torah and the other did not follow the Torah and they were wiped out and sent into the nations.

How in the world can you even think about not making a distinction is beyond me.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

The biggest problem gentiles have in their replacement theology is when they put the sins of Israel on the heads of Jews when this cannot be done.

Gentiles look at the curses of Israel and think that also applies to Judah when it doesn't.

 

[ebedmelech]

The biggest problem gentiles have in their replacement theology is when they put the sins of Israel on the heads of Jews when this cannot be done.

Gentiles look at the curses of Israel and think that also applies to Judah when it doesn't.

No...the biggest problem is you believing that "all who are of the faith of Abraham, are Abraham"s seed".

No matter how you deny it though...it's true.

 

[coraline]

The biggest problem gentiles have in their replacement theology is when they put the sins of Israel on the heads of Jews when this cannot be done.

Gentiles look at the curses of Israel and think that also applies to Judah when it doesn't.

The church was not established bc God's plan for Israel failed.

The church was established bc God kept his promises to Israel!

The church was established bc the removal of old covenant Israel was the plan all along.

The truth is that Old Covenant Israel was never God's determinative goal. It was God's eternal intent to remove the Old Covenant nation, with its temple & cultus, with something far better. (Galatians 3:23; Colossians 2:14; Hebrews 8:1-3; 9:6-10. Paul preached salvation in Christ in the church, was the goal of all the previous ages.

What Millennialists pov does is it would stand to nullify, ignore & mitigate virtually every tenet of the gospel of Christ.

The gospel message of Jew/Gentile equality in Christ & replace it with the Old Covenant ethnic & religious divisions. What happens to the gospel that has removed those distinctions?

The eternal gospel forbids animal sacrifices. How then will animal sacrifices become mandatory with the penalty of condemnation for failure to comply?

The gospel of Christ has established the spiritual temple of the body of Christ abrogating the importance of a physical edifice. Yet according to millennialism, a physical temple will once again be the geo-centric capitial of the world. So what happens to the "never inoperable" gospel that nullified temple worship?

The priesthood of Christ, Melchizedek priesthood, abolished the Levitical priesthood. Yet millennialists say that in the millennium, Levitical Zadokite priesthood would be restored. What happens to the never inoperable gospel that removed the Levitical priesthood?

The Communion table of Christ memorializes the deliverance from Death,& the unity of believers. Yet it will supposedly be replaced by restored feast days of the Old Covenant- feasts days that where mere rehearsals of the coming realities. What happens to the gospel Supper? What happens to the gospel that removed those shadows?

If you re-establish what has been taken away, does that not nullify grace? (Galatians 2:18)