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Evolutionary debate

Discussion in 'Physical & Life Sciences' started by Idonotagree, Feb 17, 2010.

Evolution

  1. Belive in evolution

  2. Don't belive in evolution

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  1. pgp_protector

    pgp_protector Noted strange person

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    First, what's your definition of Evolution?
     
  2. sandwiches

    sandwiches Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo.

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    This is very timely for me. Just last weekend I was talking to a friend of mine who's a biology professor in the University of Texas in Arlington. He was telling me about the surprisingly high number of biology majors grads and undergrads who do not accept evolution. Of course, when trying to tie together everything about biology, they fail without evolution.
     
  3. YoungEarthAstronomer

    YoungEarthAstronomer New Member

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    ''A gradual process in which something changes into a different form.''

    Or

    ''Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations.''

    Niether have been observed.
     
  4. YoungEarthAstronomer

    YoungEarthAstronomer New Member

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    What about ERV's is 'evidence' for the theory of evolution? From what i've read, most Intelligent Design advocates are using ERV's for their evidence, not evolutionists.
     
  5. laconicstudent

    laconicstudent New Member

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    You claim to have PhD in biology, but you have to ask us what an endogenous retrovirus is?
     
  6. sandwiches

    sandwiches Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo.

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    *facepalm*
     
  7. united4Peace

    united4Peace Contributor

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    Cells are always changing...
    I hate Biology, however I need to study it and from what I understand biologists have proof that cells change...
    Would that not be a gradual process of something changing?
     
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    firechild_82 Newbie

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    You mean, no evidence of either has been posted on any of the creationist websites you frequent?

    I'm sure the nylon-eating bacteria example is not something creationists like to discuss but it is a clear cut example of your second definition.

    Have you come across the E. coli experiment?
     
  9. YoungEarthAstronomer

    YoungEarthAstronomer New Member

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    Lenski has refused to release details on his 'bacteria mutation' to public, and his peer-reviewed paper (2008) has also been rejected, or atleast questioned because of it's flaws.

    Can't (yet) paste links showing where all this is listed. However looking up the net, ''Flaws in Richard Lenski Study'' will show the basics.

    The E.Coli experiment remains controversial, Lenski is clearly a deceitful character and his work has been proven to contain flaws, he also failed to provide data to the public for his claims.
     
  10. laconicstudent

    laconicstudent New Member

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    1. Yes he has. You can look everything up in his papers. He made even more information available on his website.

    It hasn't. That is simply untrue.

    The only one's who questioned it were Conservapedia, who made themselves the laughing stock of the scientific community and Western society at large by demanding that Lenski send them bacterial specimens and demonstrating that they had not the faintest clue how to read a scientific study.

    Was it written by a microbiologist, or anyone with a PhD in the sciences? No? Then I really can't be bothered.

    Actually, it isn't.

    And yet, he has exceeded all ethical standards by going and posting even more information about his methods on his website, and making his study free for everyone to download from the PNAS, just to prove his integrity.

    Really? I wasn't aware that the PNAS had published anything of the sort. Citation please.

    Sorry, but he actually did

    E. coli Long-term Experimental Evolution Project Site

    ^_^
     
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  11. Nostromo

    Nostromo Brian Blessed can take a hike

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    Strictly speaking, doesn't that happen in pretty much every case? My generation is not genetically identical to my father's.
     
  12. YoungEarthAstronomer

    YoungEarthAstronomer New Member

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    Is it not evolutionists who say:

    ''99.9% of humans are DNA identical''

    ''Humans share 97% DNA with Chimps''

    ''We all bleed red''

    Yet now you guys are saying Humans are totally different to each other?

    :confused:
     
  13. laconicstudent

    laconicstudent New Member

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    The diversity in the human species is due to less then .1% of genetic variation, obviously....
     
  14. LifeToTheFullest!

    LifeToTheFullest! New Member

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    Weird, huh?!
     
  15. Wiccan_Child

    Wiccan_Child Contributor

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    False dichotomy. Pointing out that we're not genetically identical to each other isn't the same as saying we're completely different: we are, obviously, extremely similar, but we differ in subtle (but significant) ways. A slightly different shape to a protein here, a mildly longer gene expression there, and you have your small, but significant, variation. It's enough for evolution to work.
     
  16. LifeToTheFullest!

    LifeToTheFullest! New Member

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    Bingo!
     
  17. Nostromo

    Nostromo Brian Blessed can take a hike

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    If you take "not identical" to mean "totally different". That's probably not the most faithful interpretation I've seen.

    You got to provide your own definition of evolution and it's quite obvious just from looking around at other people that the criteria have been met, how about a retraction?
     
  18. TerranceL

    TerranceL Sarcasm is kind of an art isn't it?

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    What color do creationists say we bleed?
     
  19. plindboe

    plindboe Senior Member

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    Conservapedia:Lenski dialog - Conservapedia

    I highly recommend this exchange to anyone. Lenski's impression of these creationists' tactics are well in line with my own impression of how creationists tend to operate. They seem to form very strong opinions and claim "hoax" and "fraud" without even having read the research in question. They show severe misunderstandings and ignorance of the science, and still pretend like they're experts, demanding to be taken seriously and demanding data, that they wouldn't know what to do with even if they saw it.

    Peter :)
     
  20. USincognito

    USincognito Stop QWERTYface! Supporter

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    Define "form".

    You're kidding us right? If you're going to play a PhD biologist, you need to at least have some grounding actual biology.

    It looks like it was written by Schlaffley or his minions. The only Google hit for that particular phrase shows up on Conservapedia.
     
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