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Even NEW computers can be infected with malware!

Discussion in 'Technology' started by paul1149, Sep 16, 2012.

  1. paul1149

    paul1149 that your faith might rest in the power of God Supporter

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    According to THIS Guardian article, brand new computers in China are shipping already loaded with malware, and in some cases vicious malware. Nitol in particular taps into a botnet and begins to spread its poison across the Net in the background, and it replicates itself every time a USB stick is attached to the new computer.

    There's no evidence yet that these machines are making it to the US, but it's only a matter of time. It pays to do a thorough scan right out of the box, before you hook your machine up to a LAN. And it's preferable to do the scan offline - that is, with a bootable CD or USB stick with an anti-malware program on it, before Windows, Mac or Linux ever sees the light of day on your new machine.
     
  2. NiobiumTragedy

    NiobiumTragedy Glorious Tragedy

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    If you buy premade computers rather than building your own, it's a good habit to do a format as soon as you get it not only because of this, but because you can get rid of all the bloatware companies like HP like to toss on which you will never use and just end up eating RAM.
     
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    pgp_protector Noted strange person

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    Yep first thing I do with any new computer I get, Full Format and install of OS only. (I won't even use the "Recovery" Disk :sick: )
     
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    EphesiaNZ Been there, done that - too wise to do it again!

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    EphesiaNZ Been there, done that - too wise to do it again!

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    Unfortunate thing is, in most cases, there is no install media - just an image on a recovery partition. If you do a reinstall/recovery it will just put all the crapware back again. The only way around that is to go to the computer shop and buy the original media on DVD without the crapware. If you do this then Microsoft makes even more money!

    If you end up buying a copy of Windows, make sure you get it from a reliable dealer as there are so many counterfeit copies of Windows being sold across the counter. The sad thing is that even the genuine stores unknowingly sell counterfeits sometimes...
     
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    brinny everlovin' shiner of light in dark places Supporter

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    What does someone do who doesn't know computers and they need to buy a new computer?
     
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    NiobiumTragedy Glorious Tragedy

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    Depends on the computer. A lot of the HP computers will ask you if you want to install their software. However, I always use my own Windows disc anyway because those typically come with Home edition and I require Professional. But then, I typically buy laptops as custom orders anyway so I don't even get an OS installed on it and just use my own disc.

    As for who to buy from, I always buy an OEM copy from Newegg. Nothing but great things to say about that company.
     
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    Basically, as soon as you get the machine scan the heck out of it before you input any personal information. If you can burn an anti-malware boot disk, so much the better, and run that before you start windows. Then once in windows run another scan with a different anti-malware prog, such as Malwarebytes.

    Next, go through the system and uninstall any junk the manufacturer put on there. This will speed it up.

    Now load your programs and settings. When you've got the machine to a nice working state, take a full backup image of it onto an external drive or USB stick. I use EaseUS Todo for that - free and excellent. Now if anything goes wrong you can restore to that original condition. You'll have all your progs and settings, and no OEM junk. On another level, you should keep on doing periodic backups, though, for the sake of your changing personal data.
     
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    Interesting perspective. It has nothing to do with the malware, though, but as for the licensing I would guess MS is pursuing a two-tier strategy: fight piracy, but put a good face on the miserable status quo. Just think of all the server time updating all those illegal editions costs MS - or actually, costs us, since we're subsidizing the pirates. Windows and Office for $3? Who wouldn't like that?
     
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    EphesiaNZ Been there, done that - too wise to do it again!

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    Being a Linux user now, I will only trust an operating system image downloaded from the distributions website along with a MD5 checksum. This way I can check whether the contents of the CD/DVD is original (or not). Not sure if Microsoft lets you buy an OS online and download it as an ISO image with MD5 checksum?

    That would be the best way to get a copy of an operating system install CD/DVD - missing out the middle man/supply chain which could be corrupt at a particular point.
     
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    MS is pushing the Win8 preview downloads online, with checksums I believe. I don't recall that being done on this scale before. What happens when Gold comes out I don't know. But I think a sealed retail box of the OS should be safe, right?
     
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    brinny everlovin' shiner of light in dark places Supporter

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    Whew! Thanks.
     
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    It has everything to do with whats wrong with the whole Microsoft thing, including malware.

    Pirated software ends up with some form of modification, such as keyloggers, viruses and malware more often than not. I would say that for every piece of illegal software you have on a machine you double your chance of getting compromised. And if you use a pirated version of an anti-virus product then you deserve all thats coming to you!

    Microsoft sent the message to China that it's ok to pirate - why stop at just software?

    And why prosecute individuals or companies in the west for doing the same? - well i guess were easy targets, the people that actually buy full priced products now and again.

    Next time you buy a computer with Windows or buy a Windows OS on DVD just spare a thought for all those Chinese software pirates you are sponsoring.
     
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    EphesiaNZ Been there, done that - too wise to do it again!

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    Welcome to the modern Pandora's Box...
     
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    m.a.r.X Just keep goin !

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    I would only buy pre-built PCs without Windows XP and up. My Compaq came with DOS lol :D
     
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    jpcedotal Old School from the Backwoods - Christian Style

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    New computers are not so much infected with malaware as malaware is installed intentionally on them.
     
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    A lot of computers these days do not come with installation media, only a recovery partition. Instead of spending more money on a standalone operating system disk, I usually uninstall the bloatware I don't need, thus recovering RAM and disk space, without reformatting the hard drive.
     
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    brinny everlovin' shiner of light in dark places Supporter

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    should i get a computer built just for me, like say from eli the computer guy?
     
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    I wouldn't be anxious about the malware problem. I just think it pays these days to scan even new computers with at least two programs.

    As for where to get a machine, it depends on what you're looking for. For a new laptop, I would subscribe to NewEgg's email list and find a bargain there. The last new laptop I got I bought that way, and it was a great deal on a Lenovo.

    Towers can be homebuilt or off the shelf. I'm not sure what the advantage of home built is unless you're into maximum performance.

    I've also gotten a lot of very good deals on used machines, both towers and laptops, on ebay and craigslist. But knowing how to repair them is often a prerequisite to successfully using this channel.
     
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