Ephesians 2:8-9...faith v. works

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I need a little help understanding the relationship between faith and works, particularily why we deny sola fide when some Bible verses seem to reject it.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. - EPHESIANS 2:8-9

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If we're slinging scripture:

James 2:24
You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone."


Honestly we believe all of it but at it's simplest we don't believe in faith alone, works alone or faith and works together. We believe that we are saved by the Grace of God, the Father, through His Son, Jesus. Alone! It's not our effort but Jesus'. All we have to offer is cooperation. Which by the way is a gift.....of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Brothers and sisters,

I need a little help understanding the relationship between faith and works, particularily why we deny sola fide when some Bible verses seem to reject it.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. - EPHESIANS 2:8-9

Thank you. In Christ,

Joe V.

Must include the next verse to that - something often left out:

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. EPHESIANS 2:8-10


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Brothers and sisters,

I need a little help understanding the relationship between faith and works, particularily why we deny sola fide when some Bible verses seem to reject it.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. - EPHESIANS 2:8-9

Thank you. In Christ,

Joe V.
This is a good question, which is often misrepresented by both Catholics and Protestants. I suggest reading the fifth session of the Council of Trent for a full explanation of Catholic dogma.

In summary: it is impossible for man to justify himself before God. This teaching is one of the most consistent threads in the Bible, both Old and New Testament. Salvation does not come from within us, from our human efforts. God does not need any of our works, so there is no way we could ever earn salvation. This is what Romans 4 teaches, and that is what the above passage teaches.

Faith is the key, the prerequisite if you will, to friendship with God. Without faith, we can do heroic works of charity our entire life, and the result would still be an eternity in hell.

What the Catholic Church teaches, is that once we believe, our works become meritorious. That is, by grace, Christ Jesus is working through us in whatever we do. Therefore, the Father sees our works done in Christ Jesus and we receive an increase in merit, "treasures in heaven" in the words of Our Lord.

The key distinction to keep in mind is between works done in grace, and works done apart from grace. The latter is what St. Paul refers to as works of the Law. The Jews believed that they could earn salvation by following the correct rites and slaughtering enough animals. That mentality wasn't from God though, which is why Jesus came and told the Pharisees to clean the filth from the inside of the cup, before they polished the outside.
 
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Brothers and sisters,

I need a little help understanding the relationship between faith and works, particularily why we deny sola fide when some Bible verses seem to reject it.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. - EPHESIANS 2:8-9

Thank you. In Christ,

Joe V.
It is really quite simple that it is a gift of grace that we are saved by but if you would like to please God then you have the faith to do the works that the Lord directs us too.:crossrc:
 
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Brothers and sisters,

I need a little help understanding the relationship between faith and works, particularily why we deny sola fide when some Bible verses seem to reject it.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. - EPHESIANS 2:8-9

Thank you. In Christ,

Joe V.
Like God the Father and God the Son, the two (faith and works) are their own distinct (not "separate") things, but cannot exist apart from each other.

Faith is submitting to God's presence and commands. Submitting. (In action.) One cannot "submit" by simply fantasizing but must do so in actual deed. Thinking that something is right but not then acting on those thoughts is meaningless.

On the flip side of the coin, in order for any "good deed" to qualify as genuinely good, one must first have the proper disposition, which is selflessness (a.k.a. love). Due to the Fall of man from grace, such a disposition is not possible without a prior infusion of God's grace, which normally takes place at baptism, and then increases over time the more (selfless) good that we do.

Thus, for salvation (IOW "right relationship with God", who IS love), both faith and good works are necessary.

Greg
 
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