Did Obama earn the Nobel Peace Prize or did....

[Rion]

In this situation there are facts and opinions. It is the opinion of yourself and other posters on this board that President Obama did not earn the Nobel Prize. The FACT is that he did. No amount of complaining or opinion will change that FACT. My opinion has no bearing on this matter.

He earned it because the people that decide who earns the award decided he earned it.

THere is nothing to debate on THAT matter.

...yes, there is. The FACT is that he did nothing to deserve it. The FACT is that others lost out because the committee got a tingle up their collective legs. The FACT is that the prize has been given several times to people who didn't deserve it.

As far as WHY I THINK HE DID earn it......Probably because he was (is) the first black president.

So he earned it, or perhaps it'd be better to say he deserved it, not because of anything he did, but because of the color of his skin? Listen for a moment.

Hear it? That high pitched whining noise?

That's M.L.K. Jr. spinning in his grave like a jet turbine.

A nation built on slavery

Actually, it wasn't built on slavery and from the earliest moments, slavery was a primary divider in this country. We almost didn't form at all because of it. Remember the whole "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" bit? It was originally going to be "life, liberty, and property" but they were afraid they'd use that to justify keeping slavery later on down the road. Just because they didn't have enough votes/pull to do away with slavery at the time of the founding, doesn't mean that many of the founders were not aware of that hypocrisy or fought against it.

...was brought together black and white red and yellow and voted for a black man with no issues arising and it showed that we have come a long way. Not just anyone could have pulled it off.

Yeah, well, I never faulted anyone, especially black Americans, for voting for Obama because of this during the last election. I could understand why it meant so much to some people. However, this time I will. If someone is voting for the man primarily because of his skin color, how is that not any less bigoted than someone who votes against him because of his skin color?

That's my personal opinion on the actual reason why but it doesn't matter because he did earn it.

No, no he didn't. Neither did Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Kofi Annan, Arafat, and others.

He has it.

Not... really sure what the amen is about, but okay.

 

[stiggywiggy]

No, he earned it because the Nobel Prize commitee says he did.

I was responding not to you, but to the guy who said he won it because he's black. Since you disagree with the guy, you can always address that disagreement to him.

 

[rturner76]

Objectively, yes it is. Subjectively, I just wish that sort of stuff did still amaze me, but such reverse racism is becoming so commonplace now that amazement has been completely replaced by disgust. What used to make my eyes pop out now just makes me grimace.

By the way, you write some really good stuff on this board.

What is reverse racism? (this should be good)

 

[stiggywiggy]

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[stiggywiggy]

What is reverse racism?

I'm surprised you've never heard the term. I'm no Noah Wbster, so I'll just copy and paste Wikepedia's definition:

Reverse racism is a controversial term which refers to racial prejudice or discrimination directed against the traditionally dominant racial group in a society. It is sometimes used as a pejorative description of systems which discriminate in favour of members of racial minorities, more formally known as reverse discrimination or affirmative action.

(this should be good)

I don't know how good it is, but it seems pretty much in line with other definitions I found. But why would you think that a definition for a term you don't know the meaning of, would somehow turn out to be "good?" Is there "reverse logic" too?

 

[grasping the after wind]

Maybe the people giving the prize forgot it was a peace prize and thought it was a beauty contest? Let's face it, BHO is much more attractive than some old wrinkly guy or gal (if I use guy I get to use gal too. Those are my own personal and definitely unsexist rules) that might have actually done something to promote peace.

 

[rturner76]

Objectively, yes it is. Subjectively, I just wish that sort of stuff did still amaze me, but such reverse racism is becoming so commonplace now that amazement has been completely replaced by disgust. What used to make my eyes pop out now just makes me grimace.

By the way, you write some really good stuff on this board.

So where did you see reverse racism on the board?

Now that we all know what it is.

 

[rturner76]

...yes, there is. The FACT is that he did nothing to deserve it. The FACT is that others lost out because the committee got a tingle up their collective legs. The FACT is that the prize has been given several times to people who didn't deserve it.

IF they got it they deserved it that year


So he earned it, or perhaps it'd be better to say he deserved it, not because of anything he did, but because of the color of his skin? Listen for a moment.

Hear it? That high pitched whining noise?

That's M.L.K. Jr. spinning in his grave like a jet turbine.

MLK Likely would have voted for Obama as well. And he did do something besides just be black. He got elected president.

Actually, it wasn't built on slavery and from the earliest moments, slavery was a primary divider in this country. We almost didn't form at all because of it. Remember the whole "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" bit? It was originally going to be "life, liberty, and property" but they were afraid they'd use that to justify keeping slavery later on down the road. Just because they didn't have enough votes/pull to do away with slavery at the time of the founding, doesn't mean that many of the founders were not aware of that hypocrisy or fought against it.

Aware of their own hipocracy or not they owned slaves and the Union was made stronger by the sweat of their backs. Mt Vernon Virginia


Yeah, well, I never faulted anyone, especially black Americans, for voting for Obama because of this during the last election. I could understand why it meant so much to some people. However, this time I will. If someone is voting for the man primarily because of his skin color, how is that not any less bigoted than someone who votes against him because of his skin color?

People will vote and not vote for Obama because he's black

No, no he didn't. Neither did Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Kofi Annan, Arafat, and others.

So who's Nobel prizes do they have on their shelves if they didn't earn theirs?

Not... really sure what the amen is about, but okay.

BOlded mine
Amen means "Let it be heard"

(I'm not sure how to do the multiquote thing)

 

[stiggywiggy]

So where did you see reverse racism on the board?

You make no sense. I noted that some poster speculated that Obama won the prize because he's black (AND THAT WAS AN OBAMA SUPPORTER, if I'm not mistaken.).

So where do you see that I supposedly saw reverse racism on this board?

Now that we all know what it is.

I'd imagine most already knew. Now you do too.

 

[rturner76]

Objectively, yes it is. Subjectively, I just wish that sort of stuff did still amaze me, but such reverse racism is becoming so commonplace now that amazement has been completely replaced by disgust. What used to make my eyes pop out now just makes me grimace.

By the way, you write some really good stuff on this board.

Just like my last post. I'd hate to be a reverse racist

 

[Rion]

BOlded mine
Amen means "Let it be heard"

(I'm not sure how to do the multiquote thing)

[*quote][*/quote]

Around each part. Minus the * of course.

Amen means "so be it."

 

[NightHawkeye]

BOlded mine
Amen means "Let it be heard"

(I'm not sure how to do the multiquote thing)

It has to be done manually. It helps to have a text editor open simultaneously so that you can copy and paste one quote inside the other.

I suspect the forum disabled automatic multi-quotes in order to reduce clutter. Sometimes though, multi-quoting is the only way to convey the prior message in context.

 

[Rion]

Btw, it's kind of hard to say who MLK would've voted for, since he was a Republican. Anyhow, it's still the idea that Obama deserves the award based primarily on the color of his skin that has the guy spinning like that.

 

[stiggywiggy]

Just like my last post. I'd hate to be a reverse racist

Of course its possible that a reverse racist is when an entire race hates just one particular person of another race.

Now what about inverse racism? Maybe that's when one hates himself for being a racist.

Or Converse racism? When one races someone merely for his hate?

 

[rturner76]

I'm not saying it like "He's black he deserves an award" It's the way he was able to unite the country multiculturally. All growing up we used to follow different racist groups and I was involved lightly with The Nation of Islam for a short amount of time. Until I saw what they are really about when it comes to certain issues. There was always this idea of a race war that was going to happen some day in this country. I know it's crazy but this is how these groups talk. I just feel like there is no way that is ever going to happen or if it ever was going to happen it would have over this.

Somebody threw out the word reverse racism. I think if you look at how far this country has come from slavery to a black President. It took a very very special person to actually make it to the white house. I just don't know if some people realize how significant that really is. I mean that is a major major accomplishment I never thought I would see in my lifetime.

 

[TeddyReceptus]

This is the 21st century and the early 20th century is as irrelevant to our lifestyle as the stone age. In my adult life I have never worked as little as 40 hrs a week.

LOL.

The quote is probably genuine( I don't have the time or inclination to check out whether anyone has properly quoted that particular mental midget) But placing that degenerate on a pedestal is just foolish.

So you take a person's points, choose the ones you don't like and then assume everything they say is without value? I believe that logic is called "ad hominem". You aren't addressing the point, you are attacking the person.

By this metric we'd have to abandon much of chemistry that we use everyday because some famous chemists held repellent ideas. Arrhenius was apparently associated with the Eugenics movement of the late 19th century.

(I'm making an assumption that you know who Arrhenius was and how important his work is to chemistry. If you don't I can help educate you as to history.)

I didn't say I trusted everything that ever crawled out of TR's mouth. I merely pointed out his quote which was as true then as now.

You can entertain whatever pleases you. All I know is that Teddy was an elitist dolt.

So if I can find one or two things that you said in your life that I find repugnant can I say that everything you utter is wrong?

I hope so! That'd be a great boon to society (hint: everyone says and believes stupid things, that doesn't mean everything they say and do is stupid. Again, if you have a valid point about the meaning behind the quote then, um, maybe I'd "entertain" it.

I won't entertain violations of basic logic and debate. Everyone who's ever had even an intro philosophy class recognizes and ad hominem argument.

Did you miss philosophy class?)

 

[EdwinWillers]

[*quote][*/quote]

Around each part. Minus the * of course.

Amen means "so be it."

I would only add, by way of help that you can attribute the quote to a person with this syntax:

[*quote=EdwinWillers]text you want to include as a quote[*/quote]
...is displayed as:

text you want to include as a quote

You needn't use the person's exact (CF) name either; in fact you can type whatever you want after the = sign:
[*quote=EdwinWillers Is a Fine and Hansome Gentlemen (or whatever)] text you want to include as a quote [*/quote]
...is displayed as:

text you want to include as a quote

As Rion said, do omit the * - they're just inserted here to prevent the compiler from turning them into an actual quote.

Rion's also correct - Amen = "So be it" or "It is so"

 

[AceHero]

Oh, Al got one too? Wow! Wonder if Mitt will get one.

Heck, Bain Capital should get one. It is a person after all.

Of these, I have only a few clues as to the truth. One clue is the past history of recent Nobel peace prize winners. More than a few, like Arafat and Mandela have been closely associated with political ideologies quite foreign to US values. The similarities seem significant though, in truth, Obama has no accomplishments comparable with the aforementioned persons ... only ideological similarities.

I can understand the part about Arafat, but what don't you like about Mandela?

Btw, it's kind of hard to say who MLK would've voted for, since he was a Republican..

Where did you get that idea?

 

[Rusticus]

A Nobel Prize is never "earned", it is "awarded".
After Mr. Nobel made an immense fortune out of dynamite (yes, dynamite, suppose he felt a bit guilty about seeing so many people blown to bits?) he set up the foundation that "awards" the Nobel Prizes.
Surely most Americans can find themselves in agreement with the following sentiment:
It is his money, his foundation, his legacy, and therefore his trustees can award it to whom they wish - with no interference from anyone else. (Unless you wish to impose some socialist-type controls on how one can spend one's money....)

 

[NightHawkeye]

I can understand the part about Arafat, but what don't you like about Mandela?

Let's start with the FACT that he was a convicted of both terrorism and murder. The activities he was involved with in the 1960's led directly to people being killed.

Though his reputation in the press was cleaned up before he became president, his wife's was not, as related in this New York Times article: Winnie Mandela: A Symbol Now Tarnished - New York Times

She was South Africa's most celebrated heroine, hailed as the ''mother of the nation,'' a woman so revered for her courage that she was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize and offered academic honors from abroad.

Today, Winnie Mandela's reputation lies in tatters. The anti-apartheid movement that to some she personified turned its back on her on Thursday. And she is being drawn into the tightening web of a police investigation into the activities of her bodyguards, whom anti-apartheid leaders accused of waging a ''reign of terror'' in Soweto.

Today at 4 A.M., the police, including forensic experts, raided her home to search for evidence that could link the Mandela United Football Club, as her bodyguards call themselves, to the murder of a 14-year-old boy named Stompie Moeketsi and the abduction of other black youths, two of whom are missing.
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The preferred form of intimidation killing was known as the Winnie Mandela necklace, a tire soaked in gasoline around the victim's neck. The Nobel peace prize committee probably didn't look too deep into his background or family associations ... just as they obviously didn't consider much about Arafat's background either.

Of course, perhaps all the killing was just his wife's doing. Maybe it was just like a fetish with her. Perhaps he simply had not control over his wife of twenty some years. Hmm ... do they have women's lib over in Africa?

Besides terrorism, torture and murder, there's the decline of South Africa he presided over. Other than that, I don't know too much about him. He sure looks happy in all his pictures though.