Dating the Exodus

[cfposter]

I have dated the Exodus to 1479 BC. This is 430 years after the birth of Isaac and 530 years before the Dedication of Solomon's Temple.
In 1479 BC a Pharaoh died named Thutmose II. He didn't leave a male offspring until year later to take the throne. His mummy was analyzed and bares scabrous wounds that are consistent with a boil plague. There were additionally other mummies during that time that were found with the same scabrous wounds.

 

[John G.]

1 Kings 6 says that the Temple began to be built 480 years after the Exodus.

 

[cfposter]

1 Kings 6 says that the Temple began to be built 480 years after the Exodus.

Yep, I waiting for that response. That is good you posted that. Shows you know a little about the timeline. However, I have come to believe that the 480 years are not from the beginning of the Exodus but from the end of it. So when you do that math you will see that I add 40 years to that to get to the beginning of the Exodus - 480 + 40 = 520 years to the start of the building of the Temple (not the dedication).

 

[AV1611VET]

In 1479 BC a Pharaoh died named Thutmose II. He didn't leave a male offspring until year later to take the throne. His mummy was analyzed and bares scabrous wounds that are consistent with a boil plague. There were additionally other mummies during that time that were found with the same scabrous wounds.

The pharaoh in Moses' time did not die from the sixth plague (boils).

He lived through all ten of them.

 

[keras]

The timeline I have compiled, using all the given time periods of the Patriarchs and the Jewish Kings and the known date of the Babylonian conquest, plus the recorded years up to today: gives the date of the Exodus as -1493.5 BC.
Or: 2477 years since Adam.
We are now at 5993 years since Adam.

 

[cfposter]

The pharaoh in Moses' time did not die from the sixth plague (boils).

He lived through all ten of them.

But he would stll have the wounds from the plague when he drown in the Red Sea.

 

[cfposter]

The timeline I have compiled, using all the given time periods of the Patriarchs and the Jewish Kings and the known date of the Babylonian conquest, plus the recorded years up to today: gives the date of the Exodus as -1493.5 BC.
Or: 2477 years since Adam.
We are now at 5993 years since Adam.

That can't be right though. What year do you have for the year of the Temple destruction?

 

[AV1611VET]

I have dated the Exodus to 1479 BC. This is 430 years after the birth of Isaac and 530 years before the Dedication of Solomon's Temple.
In 1479 BC a Pharaoh died named Thutmose II. He didn't leave a male offspring until year later to take the throne. His mummy was analyzed and bares scabrous wounds that are consistent with a boil plague. There were additionally other mummies during that time that were found with the same scabrous wounds.

I debated this in-depth with another poster starting here:

Post 480

 

[cfposter]

1491 BC is too early. Remember, there is 430 years from the birth of Isaac to the exodus.

 

[keras]

That can't be right though. What year do you have for the year of the Temple destruction?

7000 years from the Creation to the Completion of Mankind:
Genesis 1:27 Adam was created in 3972.5 BC subtracted back to 586 BCE, from:

Gen 5:3 Seth +130, Gen 5:6 Enoch +105, Gen 5:9 Kenan +90, Gen 5:12 Mahalalel +70, Gen 5:15 Jared +65, Gen 5:18 Enoch +162, Gen 5:21 Methuselah +65, Gen 5:25 Lamech +187, Gen 5:28 Noah+182, Gen 7:6 The Flood came when Noah was +600, Gen 11:10 Our year 2314.5 BC

Arpachshad +2 - born to Shem after the flood. Gen 11:12 Selah +35, Gen 11:14 Heber +30, Gen 11:16 Peleg +34, Gen 11:18 Reu +30, Gen 11:20 Serug +32, Gen 11:22 Nahor +30 , Gen 11:24 Terah +29, Gen 11:26 Abram +70, Abram was +52 when God called him and they left Ur. Our year 1970.5 BCE He lived in Haran for 23 years, then went to Canaan at age 75. Genesis 12:4 Total years so far = 2000

Gen 17:1, Abraham was 99 when the Covenant was made with God. +47 Genesis 17:1-8
Galatians 3:17 Paul states that the Law was given +430 after the Covenant. Total years elapsed until the Exodus – 2477, in our year 1493.5 BC.

1 Kings 6:1 The Temple construction starts, in the 4th year of King Solomon +480 since the Torah was given at the Exodus.. 1 Kings 11:42 Solomon 40 minus 4 = +36, 1 Kings 14:21 Rehoboam +17, 1 Kings 15:2 Abijah +3, 2 Chron 16:13 Asa +41, 1 Kings 22:42 Jehoshaphat +25, 2 Kings 8:17 Jehoram +8, 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah +1, 2 Kings 11:1-3 Athaliah +6, 2 Kings 12:1 Joash +40, 2 Kings 14:2 Amaziah +29, 2 Kings 15:1-2 Azariah +52, 2 Kings 15:33 Jotham +16, 2 Kings 16:2 Ahaz +16, 2 Kings 18:1-2 Hezekiah +29, 2 Kings 21:1 Manasseh +55, 2 Kings 21:19 Amon +2, 2 Kings 22:1 Josiah +31, 2 Kings 23:31 Jehoahaz +3mths, 2 Kings 23:36 Jehoiakim +11, 2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin +3mths, 2 Kings 24:18-20 Zedekiah +11, who ruled until the Babylonian captivity in our year of 586 BC. The destruction of the first Temple.

Total elapsed years to the first exile of Judah = 3386.5
3386.5 + 586 = 3972.5 years from 1BC to when Adam was Created.

586 BC + 613.5 years + 2 comes to 29.5/30 AD, the date of Jesus’ acclamation as King of Israel. Plus 2 to include the total number of elapsed years, as our calendar system counts years from their commencement.
3386.5 + 613.5 = 4000 years from Adam to Jesus.


January 2024 AD - 29.5/30 AD = 1993.5 years since Jesus made His triumphal entry into Jerusalem on the first Palm Sunday

1993.5 + 4000 = 5993.5 years, is where we are now. 5993.5 + 6.5 = 6000 years
2024 AD + 6 = 2030 AD

Exactly 2000 years for the present Church age,
4000 since Abraham, 6000 since Adam. Next comes the 1000 year reign of King Jesus.

The final wrap up and the Great White Throne judgement of all people: 7000 years.

Revelation 22...I saw a new Heaven and a new Earth and the Holy City, made ready like a bride... A new Beginning!

Addendum: Because Jesus worked in His mission on earth for 3½ years, the two ‘days’ prophesied in Hosea 6:2 and confirmed by Jesus in Luke 13:32, that He will spend in heaven from Ascension to Return, maybe should have the 3½ years added to it, making a total of 2003.5 years since 29.5 AD = 2033 for His Return and the commencement of the Millennium.

Ref; logostelos.info

 

[cfposter]

7000 years from the Creation to the Completion of Mankind:
Genesis 1:27 Adam was created in 3972.5 BC subtracted back to 586 BCE, from:

Gen 5:3 Seth +130, Gen 5:6 Enoch +105, Gen 5:9 Kenan +90, Gen 5:12 Mahalalel +70, Gen 5:15 Jared +65, Gen 5:18 Enoch +162, Gen 5:21 Methuselah +65, Gen 5:25 Lamech +187, Gen 5:28 Noah+182, Gen 7:6 The Flood came when Noah was +600, Gen 11:10 Our year 2314.5 BC

Arpachshad +2 - born to Shem after the flood. Gen 11:12 Selah +35, Gen 11:14 Heber +30, Gen 11:16 Peleg +34, Gen 11:18 Reu +30, Gen 11:20 Serug +32, Gen 11:22 Nahor +30 , Gen 11:24 Terah +29, Gen 11:26 Abram +70, Abram was +52 when God called him and they left Ur. Our year 1970.5 BCE He lived in Haran for 23 years, then went to Canaan at age 75. Genesis 12:4 Total years so far = 2000

Gen 17:1, Abraham was 99 when the Covenant was made with God. +47 Genesis 17:1-8
Galatians 3:17 Paul states that the Law was given +430 after the Covenant. Total years elapsed until the Exodus – 2477, in our year 1493.5 BC.

1 Kings 6:1 The Temple construction starts, in the 4th year of King Solomon +480 since the Torah was given at the Exodus.. 1 Kings 11:42 Solomon 40 minus 4 = +36, 1 Kings 14:21 Rehoboam +17, 1 Kings 15:2 Abijah +3, 2 Chron 16:13 Asa +41, 1 Kings 22:42 Jehoshaphat +25, 2 Kings 8:17 Jehoram +8, 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah +1, 2 Kings 11:1-3 Athaliah +6, 2 Kings 12:1 Joash +40, 2 Kings 14:2 Amaziah +29, 2 Kings 15:1-2 Azariah +52, 2 Kings 15:33 Jotham +16, 2 Kings 16:2 Ahaz +16, 2 Kings 18:1-2 Hezekiah +29, 2 Kings 21:1 Manasseh +55, 2 Kings 21:19 Amon +2, 2 Kings 22:1 Josiah +31, 2 Kings 23:31 Jehoahaz +3mths, 2 Kings 23:36 Jehoiakim +11, 2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin +3mths, 2 Kings 24:18-20 Zedekiah +11, who ruled until the Babylonian captivity in our year of 586 BC. The destruction of the first Temple.

Total elapsed years to the first exile of Judah = 3386.5
3386.5 + 586 = 3972.5 years from 1BC to when Adam was Created.

586 BC + 613.5 years + 2 comes to 29.5/30 AD, the date of Jesus’ acclamation as King of Israel. Plus 2 to include the total number of elapsed years, as our calendar system counts years from their commencement.
3386.5 + 613.5 = 4000 years from Adam to Jesus.


January 2024 AD - 29.5/30 AD = 1993.5 years since Jesus made His triumphal entry into Jerusalem on the first Palm Sunday

1993.5 + 4000 = 5993.5 years, is where we are now. 5993.5 + 6.5 = 6000 years
2024 AD + 6 = 2030 AD

Exactly 2000 years for the present Church age,
4000 since Abraham, 6000 since Adam. Next comes the 1000 year reign of King Jesus.

The final wrap up and the Great White Throne judgement of all people: 7000 years.

Revelation 22...I saw a new Heaven and a new Earth and the Holy City, made ready like a bride... A new Beginning!

Addendum: Because Jesus worked in His mission on earth for 3½ years, the two ‘days’ prophesied in Hosea 6:2 and confirmed by Jesus in Luke 13:32, that He will spend in heaven from Ascension to Return, maybe should have the 3½ years added to it, making a total of 2003.5 years since 29.5 AD = 2033 for His Return and the commencement of the Millennium.

Ref; logostelos.info

Some of my observations:

Your using Masoretic or traditional Torah sources for early patriarch chronologies. - strictly.

You don't appear to be highlighting any alignment to Jubilees.

You are using the highly accepted year of 586 BC for the destruction of the Temple.

You are of using the Hosea 2 day rule but using it strictly in that 1000 years as a day understanding.

You have Jesus crucifixion in year 30 AD.

Your splitting out Daniel's 70th week.

You interpreting 1 Kings 6:1 from the beginning of the Exodus

Each of those items I stated above would be errors if that is indeed the case.

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My belief is that the chronologies of the Patriarchs is not accurate and a single error can throw off the rest of the chronologies since there is no absolute time reference. This is why I also INCLUDE the Book of Jubilees in my chronological histories.

The Jubilees were very important to time tracking as seen in the Book of Jubilees. For example, we know the 50th Jubilee was at the crossing of the Jordan by Joshua into the Promised Land. And this is why the 480 years in 1 Kings 6:1 is also misleading because the count should be from the end of the Exodus (at the crossing of the Jordan) and not from the beginning of the Exodus. Then you will see that the Dedication of the Temple is actually occurring in the 10th year later marking 490 years since the crossing of the Jordan and therefore signals the 60th Jubilee.

You also splitting out that 70th week but this is likely because your not viewing this is a Jubilee and Sabbatical week manner. The 70 weeks are 490 years which is exactly 10 Jubilees. But the context in which you should read those verse is as Weeks and not as individual years. And they should be read in the manner of Sabbatical weeks meaning that obviously the last year should be a 7th year leading into a Jubilee again.

As for Hosea and the 2 days. This is correct that there will be a thousand years for a day but that is NOT all of all the picture. Look at Moses - He was the TYPE. His ministry started in his 80th year and ended in his 120 year. This was signaling that our Lord Jesus would lead His Congregation through the Wilderness of this World in the 80th Jubilee to the 120th Jubilee. Joshua came in after Moses which was a type of Jesus 2nd Coming. This is why you can see that Moses striking the rock and not entering the promised land was more a plan much bigger than Moses as it was a separation of those two dispensations.

You then have Jesus crucified in 30 AD (Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this). But Jesus would have to be crucified in the 1st year of 40 years of the Destruction of the 2nd Temple. This is because that is setting a type also. So if He is crucified in year 30 AD and the temple is destroyed in 70 AD that is actually 41 years. Because they didn't utilize year 0 as we do today with a lot of their counting. Some of the earliest Church historians or church fathers indicated that He was crucified on March 25th (Julian). If Jesus is born in 3 BC (which He was during the Feast of Dedication) then that means the only full moon (required at Passover) that would be approximate to the area 30 years later to land on March 25th would be in 31 AD.

You also have the highly accepted date of 586 BC for the destruction of Jerusalem in the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar. Problem with that date is that it not correct. It is too early and doesn't fit the archaeological evidence of VAT4956 (for the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar) even though there are many that believe it does. But I can prove that it doesn't.

Hope you investigate some of my claims above. And I hope if you conclude the same you wont try to make profit from this information as the Prophecy for Profit authors do. They don't understand the condemnation they are incurring by doing so. Imagine Jonah going back to Nineveh with a message about their fate but he required payment to hear it.

 

[keras]

I reject all of your claims.
Because the fact of the exact 2000 years tranches; Adam to Abram, Abraham to Jesus, and now the third 2000 years is almost over.

When I first added those given time periods, I nearly fell off my chair, to see how exact they were. Evidence enough of God's Hand in it all.

I hope if you conclude the same you wont try to make profit from this information as the Prophecy for Profit authors do.

My website is free to anyone; read the articles, [over 800] and download as desired.
Of course, like you; people don't like the idea of their having to face forthcoming dramatic and earth shaking events. The truth is ignored and fables are believed.

 

[cfposter]

I reject all of your claims.
Because the fact of the exact 2000 years tranches; Adam to Abram, Abraham to Jesus, and now the third 2000 years is almost over.

When I first added those given time periods, I nearly fell off my chair, to see how exact they were. Evidence enough of God's Hand in it all.

My website is free to anyone; read the articles, [over 800] and download as desired.
Of course, like you; people don't like the idea of their having to face forthcoming dramatic and earth shaking events. The truth is ignored and fables are believed.

I would refer you to the following:

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.2307/3218801?journalCode=basor

 

[cfposter]

Here is some Evidence for Thutmose II:

https://www.biblehistory.net/Exodus_Evidence.pdf

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Solomon began his reign in 971 BC. The temple began building in 966 BC, 480 years after Exodus, so Exodus was in 1446 BC. However, the in the Bible, one year is 360 days, so it could be few years off.

Tuthmose III died in 1450 BC. Could he be the pharoah of Exodus? Apparently, the Egyptology is inaccurate when it comes to years.

I also found an interesting article about the pharoah of Exodus was actually Tuthmose's III successor, Amenhotep II.
The article is worth a read
Amenhotep II as Pharaoh of the Exodus

 

[cfposter]

Solomon began his reign in 971 BC. The temple began building in 966 BC, 480 years after Exodus, so Exodus was in 1446 BC. However, the in the Bible, one year is 360 days, so it could be few years off.

Tuthmose III died in 1450 BC. Could he be the pharoah of Exodus? Apparently, the Egyptology is inaccurate when it comes to years.

I also found an interesting article about the pharoah of Exodus was actually Tuthmose's III successor, Amenhotep II.
The article is worth a read
Amenhotep II as Pharaoh of the Exodus

The 480 years cannot be from the exodus to the building of the Temple. The reason for this is that 10 Jubilees equals 490 years. The Book of Jubilees says that the 50th Jubilee was the crossing of the Jordan which took place 40 years after the Exodus began. Therefore, this 480 years must be from the end of the Exodus and not the beginning because it is understood by many that this was likely the 60th Jubilee when the Temple was dedicated.

 

[keras]

I laugh at those who waste their time looking for something; anything that helps them avoid the Biblical truths.

 

[cfposter]

I laugh at those who waste their time looking for something; anything that helps them avoid the Biblical truths.

You make it easy to refute your timeline simply by the math. You have Adam at 3972 BC and then rule of the Lord beginning at 2033. That is = 6004 years (no year 0).

6004 / 49 =

>> 6004 / 49
== 122.530612244898

You can see you have the 2nd coming occurring well past the 122nd Jubilee into a 123rd Jubilee cycle. I think you need to learn more about the Jubilees and understand that there is only 120 Jubilees to man's dominion.

 

[keras]

You make it easy to refute your timeline simply by the math. You have Adam at 3972 BC and then rule of the Lord beginning at 2033. That is = 6004 years (no year 0).

There is no refutation, as you do not understand the fact of the years being counted at their commencement.
Also the date for the end of this Christian era is 2030.

I don't claim an exact timeline, but it is sufficient to prove the 7000 year plan of God for mankind.

49 X 120 = 5880 Your idea passed over 100 years ago.

 

[cfposter]

There is no refutation, as you do not understand the fact of the years being counted at their commencement.
Also the date for the end of this Christian era is 2030.

I don't claim an exact timeline, but it is sufficient to prove the 7000 year plan of God for mankind.

49 X 120 = 5880 Your idea passed over 100 years ago.

Well, we will have to agree to disagree. My timeline has the days of Adam beginning in 3890 BC.

3890 - 5880 = 1990 (no year 0) so that means 1991 = 120th Jubilee. But man gets 120 jubilees, but not the 121st one.