Cuomo and Trump: Who Can Tell the Difference?

[ThatRobGuy]

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo resigns after sexual harassment allegations

I mean, there's one yuge difference.

Perhaps when he receives his "slightly better than Trump" award, the ceremony can be held at a now-vacant nursing home...

 

[Brihaha]

Problem with trump and his supporter is that they live in “alternative reality” .

Boy Howdy! Hahaha. It's a vicious cycle of deception over on the right. The elite politicians have trained voters to vote for the ( R ) and the gullibles have trained the politicians to lie to them and tell them what they want to hear or else!

 

[FireDragon76]

Perhaps when he receives his "slightly better than Trump" award, the ceremony can be held at a now-vacant nursing home...

Slightly better than Trump? You're comparing a highly dangerous, malignant narcissist who launched a seditious insurrection against an entire country, with a man that was a little too grabby for the tastes of the WASP power elites of this country?

Cuomo was popular during the pandemic, but his popularity bred jealousy in his enemies in New York and like Joseph's brothers, they conspired against him, trolling for any disgruntled voice they could find to #MeToo him.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Slightly better than Trump? You're comparing a highly dangerous, malignant narcissist who launched a seditious insurrection against an entire country, with a man that was a little too grabby for the tastes of the WASP power elites of this country?

Cuomo was popular during the pandemic, but his popularity bred jealousy in his enemies in New York and like Joseph's brothers, they conspired against him, trolling for any disgruntled voice they could find to #MeToo him.

Eh... I'll stick with my assessment of slightly better.
Cuomo Aides Rewrote Nursing Home Report to Hide Higher Death Toll

TIMELINE: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo Resigns After Investigation Into Sexual Harassment Allegations, Nursing Home Deaths

Cuomo being too "grabby" wasn't the worst of his infractions.

 

[FireDragon76]

Eh... I'll stick with my assessment of slightly better.
Cuomo Aides Rewrote Nursing Home Report to Hide Higher Death Toll

Cuomo being to "grabby" wasn't the worst of his infractions.

You're not going down that rabbit hole are you?

PolitiFact - Is Cuomo directive to blame for nursing home COVID deaths as HHS official claims?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

You're not going down that rabbit hole are you?

PolitiFact - Is Cuomo directive to blame for nursing home COVID deaths as HHS official claims?

A fact check of Michael Caputo's statement (in August 2020) shouldn't be conflated for as an assessment of the situation overall.

I'll paste it here again since I edited my previous post to add this link before you quoted it

TIMELINE: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo Resigns After Investigation Into Sexual Harassment Allegations, Nursing Home Deaths



One has to make sure they don't fall into the trap of thinking "because someone wasn't as bad as Trump, they shouldn't be accountable or removed from office"

We'll probably go a long time before we see someone as deluded and egotistical as Trump...that doesn't mean we should give everyone who isn't as bad as him a pass.

Cuomo messed up (in multiple areas) big time, it's good that he's resigning.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Or not...

I wonder if he'll try to pull a (Anthony) Weiner and lay low for a couple years and try to resurrect himself after 2024. Maybe he'll pick up an analysis gig on a news channel. Maybe he'll team up with his brother and make CNN even more insufferable than anybody imagined it could be.

 

[probinson]

You're not going down that rabbit hole are you?

PolitiFact - Is Cuomo directive to blame for nursing home COVID deaths as HHS official claims?

This was a pretty ill-advised policy decision that resulted in countless nursing home deaths in New York;

Even at the beginning of the pandemic, we knew that COVID was far more deadly to the elderly than anyone else. So decreeing that nursing homes had to accept patients that were symptomatic and preventing them from allowing nursing homes to test those patients upon admission was an incredibly foolish policy decision that absolutely resulted in needless deaths.

 

[FireDragon76]

This was a pretty ill-advised policy decision that resulted in countless nursing home deaths in New York;

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Even at the beginning of the pandemic, we knew that COVID was far more deadly to the elderly than anyone else. So decreeing that nursing homes had to accept patients that were symptomatic and preventing them from allowing nursing homes to test those patients upon admission was an incredibly foolish policy decision that absolutely resulted in needless deaths.

Tell me, since you are apparently a public health expert , what should he have done with overflowing hospitals? Send them out on the streets?

Hospitals, right now in some states, are routinely sending people home with COVID who are healthy enough to do so, as there's no excess capacity at the hospitals for them. What Cuomo ordered wasn't really any different.

 

[probinson]

Tell me, since you are apparently a public health expert , what should he have done with overflowing hospitals? Send them out on the streets?

I'm old enough to remember when we sent a navy ship to New York that didn't get utilized at all;

The 1,000-Bed Comfort Was Supposed to Aid New York. It Has 20 Patients. (Published 2020)

"Overflowing hospitals" is a vast overstatement of what actually occurred. There were isolated incidences of hospital overflow, particularly at the beginning of the pandemic and during the winter surge, but nothing near like what was predicted.

Hospitals, right now in some states, are routinely sending people home with COVID who are healthy enough to do so, as there's no excess capacity at the hospitals for them.

Well, that's pretty normal. Once you're healthy enough, you leave the hospital from any disease. And you go to your own home, not an area concentrated with the most vulnerable of people.

What Cuomo ordered wasn't really any different.

Cuomo sent sick patients to intermingle with the most vulnerable to the disease. You can try to downplay that all you like, but it had deadly consequences.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Cuomo sent sick patients to intermingle with the most vulnerable to the disease. You can try to downplay that all you like, but it had deadly consequences.

…and Trump didn’t. There’s the answer to the threat title. The OP tried to obscure that fact by focusing on trivialities…

 

[Arcangl86]

I'm old enough to remember when we sent a navy ship to New York that didn't get utilized at all;

The 1,000-Bed Comfort Was Supposed to Aid New York. It Has 20 Patients. (Published 2020)

"Overflowing hospitals" is a vast overstatement of what actually occurred. There were isolated incidences of hospital overflow, particularly at the beginning of the pandemic and during the winter surge, but nothing near like what was predicted.

The Comfort wasn't allowed to take on any patients with Covid-19, which were the vast majority of the patients. That wasn't Cuomo's fault, but rather the Navy.

Well, that's pretty normal. Once you're healthy enough, you leave the hospital from any disease. And you go to your own home, not an area concentrated with the most vulnerable of people.

Yes, and these people lived in these nursing homes. That's why they are called nursing homes. Where else were they supposed to go?

 

[probinson]

The Comfort wasn't allowed to take on any patients with Covid-19, which were the vast majority of the patients. That wasn't Cuomo's fault, but rather the Navy.

The point is, the ship wasn't needed. There was an incredibly brief period of time where some hospitals were overloaded, but it didn't last long. Sending a Navy ship was a gross overreaction based on incredibly flawed models.

Yes, and these people lived in these nursing homes. That's why they are called nursing homes. Where else were they supposed to go?

Well if they were seriously ill, perhaps they should have stayed in the hospital to be treated. Seems kind of counter-productive to send an ill patient back to a the most vulnerable population in nursing homes only to have them infect dozens more that ALL then have to come back to the hospital anyway.

 

[Arcangl86]

The point is, the ship wasn't needed. There was an incredibly brief period of time where some hospitals were overloaded, but it didn't last long. Sending a Navy ship was a gross overreaction based on incredibly flawed models.

No, the ship WAS needed, but due to Navy policies it couldn't be used for what it was needed for.

Well if they were seriously ill, perhaps they should have stayed in the hospital to be treated. Seems kind of counter-productive to send an ill patient back to a the most vulnerable population in nursing homes only to have them infect dozens more that ALL then have to come back to the hospital anyway.

Who said anything about them being seriously ill? They were treated for COVID-19, and when they no longer needed intensive treatment for it they were sent home. They just happened to live in nursing homes.

 

[probinson]

No, the ship WAS needed, but due to Navy policies it couldn't be used for what it was needed for.

Obviously not. The ship returned and the world moved on. The media cycles turned away from "overrun" hospitals, because that was no longer true.

Who said anything about them being seriously ill?

The memo said that the nursing homes had to accept symptomatic patients, and they couldn't even test them, notably at a time when everyone was complaining about the insufficient testing the US was conducting. They sent visibly ill people back to mix with the most vulnerable population. Not the smartest policy decision.

 

[DaisyDay]

One glaring difference between Cuomo and trump. Cuomo recognized he is detrimental to the party and country and had the humility to resign! Trump is still screaming somewhere about how life is so unfair to him.

No, Cuomo has no humility. He is a pragmatic politician and political fights cost money. He was born and raised in politics. I think he rose on his name and his connections. As far as I know, he was not particularly corrupt nor particularly clean - he had his scandals. I do not think he was well liked by the public or by his cronies which, I think, helped the Democratic politicians condemn him once he began to fail.

Trump was not a politician, he is a huckster showman with little knowledge and less care about actual governing. Far from pragmatic, he made several very ill-advised investments that were mostly vanity (eg. the Commodore Hotel, the football thing, his airline).

 

[DaisyDay]

A fact check of Michael Caputo's statement (in August 2020) shouldn't be conflated for as an assessment of the situation overall.

I'll paste it here again since I edited my previous post to add this link before you quoted it

TIMELINE: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo Resigns After Investigation Into Sexual Harassment Allegations, Nursing Home Deaths



One has to make sure they don't fall into the trap of thinking "because someone wasn't as bad as Trump, they shouldn't be accountable or removed from office"

We'll probably go a long time before we see someone as deluded and egotistical as Trump...that doesn't mean we should give everyone who isn't as bad as him a pass.

Cuomo messed up (in multiple areas) big time, it's good that he's resigning.

He did mess up and to his credit he did not double down on it and insist that it was the best thing to do. To his discredit, he tried to hide how badly he messed up. But at least he is aware; that is not much, admittedly, but better than Trump has ever managed.

 

[DaisyDay]

I wonder if he'll try to pull a (Anthony) Weiner and lay low for a couple years and try to resurrect himself after 2024. Maybe he'll pick up an analysis gig on a news channel. Maybe he'll team up with his brother and make CNN even more insufferable than anybody imagined it could be.

I don't think even CNN will have him but maybe he could be NewMax's pet liberal?

 

[probinson]

Trump was not a politician, he is a huckster showman with little knowledge and less care about actual governing. Far from pragmatic, he made several very ill-advised investments that were mostly vanity (eg. the Commodore Hotel, the football thing, his airline).

Don't forget Trump steaks!

 

[DaisyDay]

This was a pretty ill-advised policy decision that resulted in countless nursing home deaths in New York;

View attachment 304148

Even at the beginning of the pandemic, we knew that COVID was far more deadly to the elderly than anyone else. So decreeing that nursing homes had to accept patients that were symptomatic and preventing them from allowing nursing homes to test those patients upon admission was an incredibly foolish policy decision that absolutely resulted in needless deaths.

That's true, but it was a mistake, a miscalculation and not malice or politics.