Colo. baker faces 're-education' training

[PsychoeDial]

it shouldnt be that way - ever.
the state has no business in business.

lais·sez-faire
ˌlesā ˈfer/
noun

1. a policy or attitude of letting things take their own course, without interfering.
   synonyms: noninterventionist, noninterventional, noninterfering; More
   • ECONOMICS
     abstention by governments from interfering in the workings of the free market.
     "laissez-faire capitalism"
     synonyms: free enterprise, free trade, nonintervention, free-market capitalism,market forces
     "an agenda that embraces the concept of laissez-faire"

The state gets to be in your business the moment you apply for and receive a state business license. That puts you in commerce with the state and that gives them authority over you.

That's partly the argument some Christian activist groups are making now in their objection to the Christian obtaining a state marriage license.
Not because SCOTUS rewrote the laws and made homosexual unions qualified to be called marriage. But because when the Christian obtains a marriage license they've allowed themselves to be contracted as a couple under the authority and supervision of the state that issued the license.

When the scriptures never said anything about getting a marriage license in order to be married in the eyes of God as one man and one woman. In fact, when God ordained marriage entering into that covenant after first giving authority to the state violates what Jesus taught about separation of masters and authority.
They that serve two masters....
And the scripture that advises us to render unto Caesar and separately unto that which is God's.
God's union is marriage between one man and one woman. Caesars domain is that state power that defines marriage and gives state contract for that union to proceed and then be subject to the state as that state married licensed couple.

I think this in part is why the marriage license for gays was allowed to go forward amid God's people and nation. It helps us to realize the mistake we've made when we let the state call the Christian man and woman married by its terms and conditions. And that is then abdicating what God decreed in the beginning under his sovereign authority.

 

[PsychoeDial]

yep - illegal harassment.

we are a capitalism...and laizzes faire is the doctrine of the US.

You'll notice all the prosecution is on the Christian.
You don't read where a homosexual in the work place was ordered to sensitivity training courses at risk of losing their job for non-compliance after they called a Christian co-worker a God-fascist homophobe. (example)
However, you'd hear about it if the Christian employee called a gay co-worker names.

Christian persecution starts with verbal assaults. When those are supported by state and federal law it's only a matter of time before the persecution escalates.
There are those who will compare the world examples of Christian persecution and claim Christians in America are just whining because their Christian privilege, which tells you they're the bigot because religion isn't a privilege in America it is an inalienable right, is being curtailed finally.
Those are the type that would hold the torch that lights the pyre that burns the Christian to death. Meanwhile, what is reported in other countries as to Christians being martyred by terrorists all started out with verbal assaults and laws curtailing the faith. Then it escalated to murder so as to stop the Christian faith since verbal assaults and legal threats designed to curtail the faith didn't work. The way to eliminate the problem that isn't solved through harassment is to murder it.

It's a repeat of history.
Christian persecution isn't new. It's just broadcast in a new format. Only now the anti-Christian establishment believes itself to have evolved when it gives the Christian the opportunity to re-educate themselves to the ways of the world and away from the faith. If.... and of course it's always conditional education. If you want to keep your job.If you want to remain in business in this state.

Watch those that are all for that.

 

[Armoured]

HistoryEdit

BackgroundEdit

Group of prisoners inSakhalin, remote prison island, c. 1903

During 1920–50, the leaders of the Communist Party and Soviet state considered repression as a tool for securing the normal functioning of the Soviet state system, as well as preserving and strengthening positions of their social base, the working class (when the Bolsheviks took power, peasants represented 80% of the population).[27] The GULAG system was introduced to isolate and eliminate class-alien, socially dangerous, disruptive, suspicious, and other disloyal elements, whose deeds and thoughts were not contributing to the strengthening of the dictatorship of the proletariat.[27] Forced labor as a "method of reeducation" has been applied in Solovki prison camp as early as from 1920's,[28] based on Trotsky's experiments with forced labor camps for Czech war prisoners from 1918 and his proposals to introduce "compulsory labor service" voiced in Terrorism and Communism.[28][29]

We can argue semantics all day, but the point is that whether they were called "reeducation camps" or not by the Soviets, a couple of sensitivity seminars in lieu of a fine is hardly the same as being sent to Siberia to be worked to death. Frankly I find the comparison fairly insulting to the memory of people who actually WERE sent to the Gulag.<staff edit>

 

[Armoured]

You'll notice all the prosecution is on the Christian.
You don't read where a homosexual in the work place was ordered to sensitivity training courses at risk of losing their job for non-compliance after they called a Christian co-worker a God-fascist homophobe. (example)
However, you'd hear about it if the Christian employee called a gay co-worker names.

Christian persecution starts with verbal assaults. When those are supported by state and federal law it's only a matter of time before the persecution escalates.
There are those who will compare the world examples of Christian persecution and claim Christians in America are just whining because their Christian privilege, which tells you they're the bigot because religion isn't a privilege in America it is an inalienable right, is being curtailed finally.
Those are the type that would hold the torch that lights the pyre that burns the Christian to death. Meanwhile, what is reported in other countries as to Christians being martyred by terrorists all started out with verbal assaults and laws curtailing the faith. Then it escalated to murder so as to stop the Christian faith since verbal assaults and legal threats designed to curtail the faith didn't work. The way to eliminate the problem that isn't solved through harassment is to murder it.

It's a repeat of history.
Christian persecution isn't new. It's just broadcast in a new format. Only now the anti-Christian establishment believes itself to have evolved when it gives the Christian the opportunity to re-educate themselves to the ways of the world and away from the faith. If.... and of course it's always conditional education. If you want to keep your job.If you want to remain in business in this state.

Watch those that are all for that.

is there an example of a homosexual calling a coworker that and being denied redress? Or is that just an "every body knows" type narrative?

 

[Truthfrees]

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[MikeK]

I wasn't going to say anything, but since nobody else did....we're all on the same page and understand that the Church rejects laissez faire capitalism, right?

 

[concretecamper]

You are correct. But one has to wonder where in the heck does "laissez faire capitalism" exist. And further more, who do you think promotes it?

 

[LivingWordUnity]

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I thought the only purpose of the OBOB politics section was so that people could say which political candidate they support and which one they don't like. But this thread is about Christians being persecuted.

 

[Truthfrees]

I thought the only purpose of the OBOB politics section was so that people could say which political candidate they support and which one they don't like. But this thread is about Christians being persecuted.

I will ask and post the answer here! Thanks!

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[Miss Shelby]

That takes way too long. Re education is just fine.

It's funny the people in this thread desperately and deliberately shifting this conversation to stupid semantics while ignoring the point being made. At least no one has said outright that the man is not being treated unfairly.

 

[MoonlessNight]

That takes way too long. Re education is just fine.

It's funny the people in this thread desperately and deliberately shifting this conversation to stupid semantics while ignoring the point being made. At least no one has said outright that the man is not being treated unfairly.

Even if the official language was used, the thread would have been derailed in some other way. (The most likely scenario being someone asking why we care so much about how bakers conduct their business when there's so much worse going on in the world). So there's really no point in surrendering what terms to use based on the hope that people will no longer get upset.

Something to consider: the term "wage slavery" is a far less accurate description of low paying jobs than "reeducation" is a description of what is going on here. And it is a term that far more directly references a horrible chapter in human history. It is also clearly and intentionally emotionally loaded. But I doubt that anyone is going to stop using the phrase for those reasons (and they shouldn't for those reasons, since hyperbole and emotion are a normal part of human speech).

 

[Antigone]

We can argue semantics all day, but the point is that whether they were called "reeducation camps" or not by the Soviets, a couple of sensitivity seminars in lieu of a fine is hardly the same as being sent to Siberia to be worked to death. Frankly I find the comparison fairly insulting to the memory of people who actually WERE sent to the Gulag.<staff edit>

Comparing stuff to Stalin-era Russia is the new Godwin.

I'm going to need a new liver if you guys keep going like this.

(Also, wasn't re-education more of a Maoist project?)

 

[Armoured]

Comparing stuff to Stalin-era Russia is the new Godwin.

I'm going to need a new liver if you guys keep going like this.

(Also, wasn't re-education more of a Maoist project?)

As I tried to tell people, "re-education" in the sense that it was implied here, was most explicitly practiced by Vietnam, but favoured among Asian communist regimes in particular.

 

[Armoured]

That takes way too long. Re education is just fine.

It's funny the people in this thread desperately and deliberately shifting this conversation to stupid semantics while ignoring the point being made. At least no one has said outright that the man is not being treated unfairly.

I think we agree!

 

[Antigone]

As I tried to tell people, "re-education" in the sense that it was implied here, was most explicitly practiced by Vietnam, but favoured among Asian communist regimes in particular.

Yeah, but let's not let historical facts stand in the way of populist rhetorics.

 

[Armoured]

Yeah, but let's not let historical facts stand in the way of populist rhetorics.

Marxist reeducation does sound scarier.

 

[Dave-W]

But one has to wonder where in the heck does "laissez faire capitalism" exist. And further more, who do you think promotes it?

It is the defacto standard of the underground economy. (drug deals, arms smuggling, human trafficking, etc.)

 

[MikeK]

You are correct. But one has to wonder where in the heck does "laissez faire capitalism" exist. And further more, who do you think promotes it?

Warrior Angel, this thread, page 5, May 4th in two different posts.