CHRISTIANITY and CAPITALISM versus MARXISM and the GREEN AGENDA

[Museveni]

Facism and Communism spawned in Europe so what happend in Asia is irrelevant. Still similiar belief systems there had the same effect on their societies.

 

[cow451]

We are in a battle in America between the faith, beliefs, and principles
of our Founding Fathers and the faith, beliefs, and principles of the
worst butchers in history, including Vladimir Lenin and Adolf Hitler.


CHRISTIANITY and CAPITALISM versus MARXISM and the GREEN AGENDA

God gave us dominion over the earth.So it's basically just a big landfill.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

Conservatives like me support Green Energy. However, I do not support giving government money to companies like Solandra who go backrupt. You need not stay up tonight worried about the future of green energy, unless you really think Exxon-Mobil, Chevron, BP, General Electric, Eaton, and other $100B market cap companies don't have the funds to do R&D. If you are worried, you probably sleep with a metal hat over your head to keep aliens from reading your mind.

 

[David Brider]

We are in a battle in America between the faith, beliefs, and principles
of our Founding Fathers and the faith, beliefs, and principles of the
worst butchers in history, including Vladimir Lenin and Adolf Hitler.


CHRISTIANITY and CAPITALISM versus MARXISM and the GREEN AGENDA

Really not sure how you see environmentalism (which I'm guessing is what you mean by "the green agenda") as being in any way equivalent to the "principles of the worst butchers in history, including Vladimir Lenin and Adolf Hitler." Do please explain.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

The Ecumenical Patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Church, +Bartholomew, is known as the "green Patriarch".

And he's not a communist

Always been a big proponent of what's known as Creation Care/environmental stewardship. We only have one world that the Lord gave and I believe that if we take care of it, it'll take care of us.....and in seeing the impact of man's actions upon the natural world, it has been saddening to see how much callousness there seems to be toward nature. It is difficult for me to renconcile what man does to the natural world in many ways because of how his actions impact the state of men---who suffer because of many things we choose not to do, be it in water preservation or protecting endangered species...reforestation or addressing things such as how crude OIL has truly destroyed much.

Some of the things that man has done toward the world are not surprising....for in example, there are MANY nations in Asia where the economy is struggling--and the evidence of this can be seen in many of the trades they allow/support there which are apart of the Black Market/Underworld dealings, be it the SEX-Slave Trade or SweatShopes and many other horrendous things that others have died from. Smuggling wildlife is one of the top industries in the world---a sympton of the black market and organized crime....and in many ways, a rape of the natural world due to the bad economies of certain Asian nations. Some of these animals are killed for traditional medicines as well as for food...sometimes, exotic foods.


And for more info on the issue, one can go online/consider investigating the following under their respective titles:

• "Asia's Wildlife Trade >> National Geographic Magazine" ( )

• "Wildlife Smuggling: Why Does Wildlife Crime Reporting Suck? (PHOTOS) " ( c)

• "Asia Being Plundered of its Wildlife through Organized Crime to Fuel Multi-Billion Dollar Industries" ( )

• "Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger: Moving from Affluence to Generosity By Ronald J. Sider" )

What saddens me more, however, is to see the responses of Believers. For many have an eschatological view that the world is dying/on its way to Hell..and therefore, when the Lord comes to rapture us out of it, He'll bring judgement. In their views, there is no point for man to try and make a difference.

For others, their viewpoint is that nature was meant to be subjected to MAN's dominion.......which in their minds equates to man having DOMINATION of nature and allowed to do whatever he desires. For myself, I cannot see that due to how the Lord seemed to have Adam/Eve in the garden caring for it-----as Genesis 2 makes clear

Genesis 2:7
8 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 The LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. 10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin[d] and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush.[e] 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.
15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.
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From what I've been able to see in the scriptures, there were many cases where the Lord was angry at the ways in which man seemed to be flippant with his creation since the Lord noted how he sustained it----and it was a reflection of His glory......essentially meaning that defaming creation for its own sake was akin to a person defamining a masterpiece. Although I understand that man was given dominion, I've never been under the mindset that scripture meant to say that man was meant to abuse nature.

And as it concerns Orthodoxy, the work of the Green Patriarch is very beneficial

One Orthodox resource that has been helpful is entitled "Man the Priest of Creation: A Response to the Ecological Problem, in "Living Orthodoxy in the Modern World")...and for more, one can go here.

• Analyzing Ethically Orthodox Sources for Addressing Ecological Issues
  

http://www.bing.com/search?q="Man+t...he+Ecological+Problem&go=&qs=n&sk=&form=QBRE#IEcumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople has ong placed the environment at the head of his church’s agenda, earning him numerous awards and the title ‘Green Patriarch’....and it has been rather fascinating discovering the ways in which Orthodoxy addresses concerns with the environment/world surrounding it.

As the Green Patriarch has noted:

Everything that lives and breathes is sacred and beautiful in the eyes of God. The whole world is a sacrament. The entire created cosmos is a burning bush of God’s uncreated energies. And humankind stands as a priest before the altar of creation, as microcosm and mediator. Such is the true nature of things; or, as an Orthodox hymn describes it, “the truth of things,” if only we have the eyes of faith to see it

- Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew

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For other resources where I investigated:

• Green Patriarch YouTube Channel
• Ecoversity TV: Bartholomew: 'The Green Patriarch'
• Environment --- Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America
• The Green Patriarch: Orthodox Environmental Participation
• Green Patriarch | Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople
• Green Patriarch Calls Gulf Coast Oil Spill a Sin, Christian News
• Living Orthodoxy in the modern world: Orthodox Christianity & society
• Creation and ecology: how does the Orthodox church respond to ecological problems?

I have really enjoyed listening to what Brother Bartholomew has noted on many things...and his sermons have been very enlightening.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

"The earth is the Lord's,
and the fullness thereof, the world and all that dwell therein.
For He has founded it upon the seas,
and upon the rivers He hath prepared it." Psalm 24

As Christians, is not stewardship of what belongs to God part of our responsibility ?

It's easier to either ignore the responsibility or pass it on to someone else rather than take ownership/be accountable on it

 

[mzungu]

"Anyone who is against polluting the air and the rivers and seas is a Satan worshipping tree hugging commie Islamic terrorist anti American Stalin loving kitten eating subhuman!

The God fearing USA must destroy this planet with its nuclear arsenal so that we can all go to heaven sooner! After all God does not care for the environment since he can create another one!"

The above should be the only answer that all Capitalist Christians should give when asked about the environment!

 

[Gxg (G²)]

"Anyone who is against polluting the air and the rivers and seas is a Satan worshipping tree hugging commie Islamic terrorist anti American Stalin loving kitten eating subhuman!

The God fearing USA must destroy this planet with its nuclear arsenal so that we can all go to heaven sooner! After all God does not care for the environment since he can create another one!"

The above should be the only answer that all Capitalist Christians should give when asked about the environment!

Thankfully, not all Capitalists are for that ideology and never have been.

• Conscious Capitalism - Whole Planet Foundation
• Healing the environment is profitable - Video - Business News
• Conscious Capitalism and Innovative Energy & Environmental Management

As much as others talk about the need for people to invest in business opportunities that don't seem wasteful and others talking about green energy initiatives being a negative, others have often noted that destroying the environment is never good for business...nor is it true that one has to either make a profit or aid the environment.

Majora Carter has done an excellent job of noting that:

Majora Carter: Greening the ghetto​

Honors Colloquium: "Green the Ghetto and How Much It Won't Cost Us"​

 

[LionofJudahDK]

Facism and Communism spawned in Europe so what happend in Asia is irrelevant. Still similiar belief systems there had the same effect on their societies.

You're not serious?

There are....0 similarities at the core between Christianity and, say, Confucianism, Taoism and Buddhism. What happened in Asia is very much relevant to the validity (or rather: Lack of same) of your argument.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Interesting...

 

[Viren]

God gave us dominion over the earth.So it's basically just a big landfill.

That's the price to pay for considering ourselves as entirely different than than all the life we're destroying.

 

[Museveni]

You're not serious?

There are....0 similarities at the core between Christianity and, say, Confucianism, Taoism and Buddhism. What happened in Asia is very much relevant to the validity (or rather: Lack of same) of your argument.

Far from it. The buddhist monks of Tibet for one created a theocratic society where opposition to the leading class was viewed as herecy towards a higher power (sound familiar?).

Capitalism, Communism and Facism are still European socialsystems brought with colonization to other areas of the world but the scientific fact of authoriatian religious systems resulting in authoritarian political systems still stands. Other areas sure had despots but they never fell into the category of Communistic or Facist until these systems got introduced by europeans and trade existed but never in the form of Industrialized Capitalism but rather in the merchantile system wich europeans adopted from other areas. This is also the reason why Communism is China and North Korea differs from the Communism seen in the Soviet Union since the system was adapted to fit a system that had the same authoritarian beliefs but still had minor differences in chosen god or higher power and as such slight changes to society.

Hinduism got their caste system. Shinto of Japan evolved into the Bushido system and the Samurai caste with all that it brought and the Confucianism of the Chinese empire still put a low value on individuality, Ren, Yi, Li are still systems of teaching people to put "the community" with its leaders ahead of them selfs and betterment of the self is only moral it if benefits the community. Taoism was a state religion governed by government hired clerics who decided what was "true" teachings. This all boils down to a belief that humans are governed by a higher power(s) and people are put in places of power because of divine right or sent to save the people.

The core value that all these religions from Abrahamic god of Christianity/Judaism/Islam to Africa to the Far East is that they all put a insanly low value on human life and individualism while preaching a fealty to a higher social elite wich was viewed as being "better" at deciding then everyone else and would bring salvation much like Facists and Communists put their fate in the leaders to solve their problem and deliver them to a proposed utopia.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Far from it. The buddhist monks of Tibet for one created a theocratic society where opposition to the leading class was viewed as herecy towards a higher power. Capitalism, Communism and Facism are still European systems brought with colonization to other areas of the world but the scientific fact of authoriatian religious systems resulting in authoritarian political systems still stands. Other areas sure had despots but they never fell into the category of Communistic or Facist until these systems got introduced by europeans and trade existed but never in the form of Industrialized Capitalism but rather in the merchantile system wich europeans adopted from other areas. This is also the reason why Communism is China and North Korea differs from the Communism seen in the Soviet Union since the system was adapted to fit a system that had the same authoritarian beliefs but still had minor differences in chosen god or higher power and as such slight changes to society.

Hinduism got their caste system. Shinto of Japan evolved into the Bushido system and the Samurai caste with all that it brought and the Confucianism of the Chinese empire still put a low value on individuality, Ren, Yi, Li are still systems of teaching people to put "the community" with its leaders ahead of them selfs and betterment of the self is only moral it if benefits the community. Taoism was a state religion governed by government hired clerics who decided what was "true" teachings.

The core value that all these religions from Abrahamic god of Christianity/Judaism/Islam to the Far East is that they all put a insanly low value on human life and individualism while preaching a fealty to a higher social elite wich was viewed as being "better" at deciding then everyone else and would bring salvation much like Facists and Communists put their fate in the leaders to solve their problem and deliver them to a proposed utopia.

Would you happen to have any references, be it books or documentaries/articles, that you had in mind supporting your concept?

 

[Museveni]

Would you happen to have any references, be it books or documentaries/articles, that you had in mind supporting your concept?

Adorno, T. The Authoritarian Personality
Weber. M. "The protestantic ethic and the spirit of capitalism"*
Weber. M. "Economy and Society"*
Williams. R. The Sociology of Culture

*Think these only exist in Swedish.

Currently studying intercultural interactions with a emphasis on business and development so much of this comes from a required understanding of other peoples cultures and where they come from in the sense of worldview, morals and ethics of that society since lets face it its bad for business to accidently insult your future businesspartner or coming of as rude or inconciderate to them.

Also worth noting that The Authoritarian Personality is a book of questionable reliability and while still used its has more of an historic value rather then a scientific these days and should be taken with a pinch of salt. Essentialy it was written as a book against anti-semetism and does have some flawed methodology since it equated anti-semetism with facism.

 

[wintermile]

We all know that the faith of our Founding Fathers came from the Bible, which is why the Pilgrims/Puritans settled in America. They wanted freedom to worship God through Jesus Christ and to enjoy life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, which includes owning property.

The religious attitudes of the Founding Fathers differed greatly. What some came to keep private, others experimented openly. The efflorescence of these differing religious attitudes that Rev. Dr. Jonathan Hansen misreports represented the exchange of ideas present. Opinionatedly prime to pursue self-will, the Founding Fathers asserted a passion to protest derived from influencing content examined in Hobbes and Locke's work amongst others. In his publication, Hansen ripped off the revolutionary spirit.

The “real whig” ideology that inspired the colonial protest movement of the 1760s drew on classical and early modern rather than Christian sources; there is very little scriptural authority for the maxim “no taxation without representation.” Similarly, the doctrines of mixed and balanced government, the separation of powers, and all the other principles of prudential politics association with the Federal Constitution were drawn from the writings of European philosophers rather than biblical prophets or exegetes.

Deism and the Founding of the United States, Divining America, TeacherServe®, National Humanities Center​

The asperities of Hansen's misreporting become dull. Because Marx, Hegel, Engel and Darwin did not draw near to the Hansen-appointed God, each is labeled a god-hater and worse, Hansen's irresponsibility to attribute those who threaten self-will assign such to the named critics.

Timed with merit, laborious patriots examine discriminatory threats. Cohen is one example. What the dubiousness Hansen intends, Cohen surmounts. Cohen's instruction pinpoints whom controls masses corruptively: Monopolizers.

The ideological spin dominates our language and shapes our thoughts. Suddenly we are no longer talking of global warming or the extinction of whole species, but of the so-called “rights” of corporations — as though these artificial entities should have the same rights (or any rights) as people.

THE CAPITALIST INFESTO (Part One) | Mitchel Cohen​

Hansen cannot ban protest. Hansen cannot ban those engaged to rally. What Hansen can do is dumbdown the revolutionary spirit. Hansen can refuse to credit those who protest---perhaps powerful speakers such as Eriel Deranger for her work in She Speaks: Indigenous Women Speak Out Against Tar Sands.

Honoring the revolutionary spirit, Cohen and others become informed about environmental conservation; to name one concern, peatland management. Forms of journalism are exchanged and managed. All contributory ideas readily sharpen objectives.

Indonesia is 3rd largest greenhouse gas producer due to deforestation​

Double-time effort on those downright proven to manage a non-corruptive outcome, a people's way, protestors bring attention to "criminal enterprise".

The Crossing Agreement is a scandal and criminal because it is rooted in the recognition of monopoly right and the politicization of the private interests of owners of monopoly capital. The Agreement represents the dictatorship of capital over the peoples of both Canada and the U.S. The Agreement makes a fuss over guaranteeing the rights of owners of capital and presents those rights as one-nation politics behind which Canadians and people in the U.S. should rally or at least not question.

The Marxist-Leninist Daily​

Can Hansen put his publication in storage, claiming to be outraged by this Crossing Agreement?