Birth pangs

[Psalm3704]

My comment


"However, that said, every believer SHOULD be filled with His spirit"


Must be [John 3] .... if not there is no connection and the man is just a dead one walking around

And if a man is not filled with His spirit the man cannot understand the things of God written in His Word

Good point dude and a big Amen!









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[stephen583]

"Behold I tell you a mystery; we shall all not all sleep, but we shall all be changed in an instant" (1 Corinthians 15:51-54).

I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but I have to say, I'm pretty dubious about the idea anyone here on earth is going "up" or anywhere else for that matter during the Rapture. I fail to see where being "changed" instantly, necessarily correlates to being transported somewhere else. Seems like a bit of an unwarranted stretch to me.

As far as I know, there is no Scriptural evidence to support the idea the saints who are gathered in heaven and appear in the clouds with Christ at the Second Coming, (Revelation 19:14), are going to dwell here on earth afterwards in their corporeal bodies. Does anyone else read that anywhere ?... because frankly I don't see it.

Nor do I read anywhere in the Scripture, where the dead who are raised at the Second Coming are going to dwell here on earth in their corporeal bodies either. I just don't see any evidence of either of these promises being mentioned anywhere in the Bible.

So this doctrine of everybody getting their corporeal body back and dwelling here on earth after the Rapture (Resurrection) is based solely on an extrapolation gleaned from nothing more substantial than pure conjecture, isn't that right ? Because it isn't stated explicitly anywhere in the Bible, is it ?!

Actually, the whole subject of the Rapture and the Resurrection is sort of "off topic" and "derailing" this thread, isn't it ? Wouldn't these topics be more appropriately addressed in the General Theology section of this forum ?

 

[iamlamad]

"Behold I tell you a mystery; we shall all not all sleep, but we shall all be changed in an instant" (1 Corinthians 15:51-54).

I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but I have to say, I'm pretty dubious about the idea anyone here on earth is going "up" or anywhere else for that matter during the Rapture. I fail to see where being "changed" instantly, necessarily correlates to being transported somewhere else. Seems like a bit of an unwarranted stretch to me.

As far as I know, there is no Scriptural evidence to support the idea the saints who are gathered in heaven and appear in the clouds with Christ at the Second Coming, (Revelation 19:14), are going to dwell here on earth afterwards in their corporeal bodies. Does anyone else read that anywhere ?... because frankly I don't see it.

Nor do I read anywhere in the Scripture, where the dead who are raised at the Second Coming are going to dwell here on earth in their corporeal bodies either. I just don't see any evidence of either of these promises being mentioned anywhere in the Bible.

So this doctrine of everybody getting their corporeal body back and dwelling here on earth after the Rapture (Resurrection) is based solely on an extrapolation gleaned from nothing more substantial than pure conjecture, isn't that right ? Because it isn't stated explicitly anywhere in the Bible, is it ?!

Actually, the whole subject of the Rapture and the Resurrection is sort of "off topic" and "derailing" this thread, isn't it ? Wouldn't these topics be more appropriately addressed in the General Theology section of this forum ?

I guess you never read, "the meek shall inherit the earth."

 

[iamlamad]

My comment


"However, that said, every believer SHOULD be filled with His spirit"


Must be [John 3] .... if not there is no connection and the man is just a dead one walking around

And if a man is not filled with His spirit the man cannot understand the things of God written in His Word

There is a difference between the Holy Spirit within and the Holy Spirit "on" or "upon." Study every instance of the examples in Acts, as in Acts 8, 10, 19 and you will see how careful Luke was to say "on" or "upon." Then notice that when one gets the Holy Spirit upon, it is written that they are "filled." When one is born again, they get the Holy Spirit within. When one receives the mighty baptism in the Holy Spirit, they get the Holy Spirit UPON. I know many denominational churches deny this, but it is truth.

 

[dysert]

Since this thread has gotten derailed, I'm going to stop reading it. I'll still post, though, when I learn of something consistent with the OP.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

There is a difference between the Holy Spirit within and the Holy Spirit "on" or "upon." Study every instance of the examples in Acts, as in Acts 8, 10, 19 and you will see how careful Luke was to say "on" or "upon." Then notice that when one gets the Holy Spirit upon, it is written that they are "filled." When one is born again, they get the Holy Spirit within. When one receives the mighty baptism in the Holy Spirit, they get the Holy Spirit UPON. I know many denominational churches deny this, but it is truth.

This is a good subject but for another thread.

 

[stephen583]

I guess you never read, "the meek shall inherit the earth."

Sure I've read that, and I believe it refers to living people. What I never read anywhere in the Bible, is that the departed shall inherit the earth.

 

[stephen583]

Since this thread has gotten derailed, I'm going to stop reading it. I'll still post, though, when I learn of something consistent with the OP.

Sorry about the off-topic "cross chat". Just killing some time during this quiet period, until the next series of birth pains occur. I try myself to stick to the OP and ignore off topic sectarian arguments about general theology, unless they become exceptionally annoying.

 

[iamlamad]

Sure I've read that, and I believe it refers to living people. What I never read anywhere in the Bible, is that the departed shall inherit the earth.

Hmmm. Those that depart in the pretrib rapture will be LIVING. In fact more alive then any time in their life!

 

[Fusion77]

I found this video interesting, and pertaining to the topic of this thread. A little long, however quite interesting.

Warning it's a bit graphic, outlining, among other things some turbulent events that seemed to have transpired in the first 4-5 months of this year.

 

[Fusion77]

Venezuela facing potential famine, as many are forced to eat from garbage.

Matthew 24:7-8

7“For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. 8“But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Venezuela:+Over+15%+of+People+Eat+Garbage+to+Survive&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

 

[Fusion77]

Turrialba volcano erupts forcing Airport closure in San Jose, Costa Rica



http://www.ticotimes.net/2016/09/19/turrialba-volcano-explosion/amp

 

[Fusion77]

6.0-6.1 (depending on the news source) earthquake struck off the coast of Japan. Currently there are no tsunami warnings for the area.


http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/09/20/world/asia/ap-as-japan-quake.html


http://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=532037

 

[stephen583]

Here's what I see happening in the near future.

(1). The deterioration in U.S./China relations will deepen over the ongoing North Korean nuclear situation and the South China Sea dispute. The move away from the rule of international law will be further undermined in the coming months, as the U.S. and China move closer to resolving their disputes through armed confrontation, rather than using negotiations and economic sanctions. This will escalate into a global problem, with implications reaching far beyond the dispute between China and the USA.

I posted this at 2:40 AM early Sunday morning September 18th in response to the question, "What act comes next" ? By 5:00 PM that evening, Western Coalition warplanes attacked a Syrian army position killing 62 Syrian soldiers, effectively violating the Syrian cease fire agreement reached by Russia and the United States. On Monday, a Russian SU-24 attacked a Red Crescent (Arab Red Cross) convoy unloading humanitarian aide 14 miles outside the city of Aleppo destroying at least 13 trucks. On the same day, Monday September 19th, Greek residents on the Island of Lesbos burned a Syrian refugee camp to the ground, (sources, The Associated Press).

As I pointed out in post #367, this escalation in "lawless acts of violence" are only the beginning in a new series of birth pains. There will be more. Bible prophecy is clear on this point, (Matthew 24:12, 2 Timothy 3:13).

"While people are saying Peace and safety, destruction will come upon them suddenly, as the birth pains of a pregnant woman with child" (1 Thessalonians 5:3, NIV).

 

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[Fusion77]

Wars and rumors of wars:

Isis is believed to have attacked a U.S. Base in Iraq with a chemical weapon.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/0...-us-base-in-iraq-with-chemical-agent.amp.html

 

[Fusion77]

Wars and rumors of Wars:



Russian warship attack kills 30 Israeli and foreign (US included) officers in Aleppo, Syria.


http://beforeitsnews.com/war-and-co...caliber-missile-attack-in-aleppo-2462919.html




https://southfront.org/30-foreign-i...lled-in-missile-attack-in-aleppo-unconfirmed/

 

[Fusion77]

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[Fusion77]

Wars and rumors of Wars:



Russian warship attack kills 30 Israeli and foreign (US included) officers in Aleppo, Syria.


http://beforeitsnews.com/war-and-co...caliber-missile-attack-in-aleppo-2462919.html




https://southfront.org/30-foreign-i...lled-in-missile-attack-in-aleppo-unconfirmed/

This reported Russian attack comes on the heels of a statement Russian backed Syrian president Assad made yesterday. He claimed that the US attack on Syrian forces was intentional. Furthermore, that as a result, the US is responsible for breaking the ceasefire.

http://onlineathens.com/breaking-news/2016-09-22/ap-exclusive-assad-blames-us-syria-truce-collapse