Bibles banned: any thoughts?

[tgg]

Apparently old Mo actually married Aisha when she was 6, but had the decency to consumate the marriage when she was the ripe old age of 9.

Biblical times were not that much better either. As a matter of fact, in those days, many young women were betrothed based on a family deal. Sometimes the bride did not even meet her husband until the day they were married. Once she was betrothed, the family had to wait until she was 12.5 years old before she could marry. Since most boys and girls were married by the time they turned 12, and dating was virtually unknown, singles sexuality was never an issue for them.

Girls were seen very little as the 'property' of their man. If another man was to rape her, all he had to do was pay an amount of money to her father to marry her. The men owned the women (be it wives, daughters, handmaidens, servants, and concubines), and if you wanted to have sex with them you had to ask permission off them regardless of how the women felt.

 

[ebia]

I'm not selling out, Temp,. Just acknowledging a point. BUT A point Moslems should contemplate is measuring Christ's life against Mahommed's.

Mohammed and Christ aren't comparible. Mohammed is not meant to be a divine revelation of God, just a (human) messenger. The Koran is the closest equivelent to Christ in Islam.

So how do the precious PC brigade reconcile this? On the one hand, their shrieks of indignation regarding any opponents to multiculturalism are deafening, although most of us didn't vote for an international influx of diverse and conflicting cultures....I hear nothing supporting multiracialism, which, IMO, is a far more honest approach. Most of us here have no objection to people of other races settling here. What we do object to though is the indiscriminate importation of opposing CULTURES, some of which are the polar opposite to the social norm in this country.

In your view.

Islam is diametrically opposed to our way of life, and indeed, to Christianity.

In your opinion. Not in mine.

It is anti-semetic, anti Isreal, and anti - woman.

No more so (on any of those) than Christianity has been and (in some quarters) still is.

I don't get it that the usually vehement 'sisters' of the feminist persuasion are not more vocal on this issue.

Perhaps because they can see that conservative Islam is not much different than conservative Christianity, and moderate Islam not much different than moderate Christianity, on the issue. It's interesting to note that two of the largest Islamic countries (Indonesia and Pakistan) have both had female heads of state, while neither Australia nor the US has.

Nor do I get it that the usually strident 'minority' brigade are so silent when it comes to the vilification of Jews.

Hardly. But then its rare to encounter moderate Muslims vilifiying Jews. Complaining about the state of Israel, in particular its treatement of Palestinians, yes; but that's not the same thing.

Or that they are are unusually silent when that idiot, (the President of Iran) threatens to destroy Isreal, and push them all into the sea.

Hardly; I don't know anyone who is happy about the current regieme in Iran. The President of Iran does not represent moderate Islam.

If a Western nation had said the same thing regarding a Moslem nation, I'm sure I'd still be hearing the shrill shrieks of protest, even now.

The difference being how much effect I can have. As a citizen of a western democracy I am entitled to a say in the actions of the country(s) of which I am a citizen, and my voice can also contribute to influnce over the other western democracies to a tiny extent, but my joining a parade up Swanston Street to protest at the uterances of the president of Iran would have zero effect so (like just about everyone else) I'm not going to bother. But this is way off topic - the Iranian government does not represent moderate Islam, and it's not Muslims opposing bibles in hospitals - so I don't propose to debate it further.

 

[ebia]

I dont see why they dont just have several faith books their like a bible, a koran, etc...

sorry i know im british but this interests me..

Perhaps if there were organisations equivalent to the Gideons distributing translations of the Holy Koran and similar (what other "book" based religions are there) the situation wouldn't have arisen, just as hospital chaplains of many faiths cooperate effectively in hospitals.

 

[SonicBOOM]

Any thoughts about this anyone?

it's a case of christain preduduce, no one should have the right to rip bibles out of the hands of people who want to read them

 

[meebs]

Perhaps if there were organisations equivalent to the Gideons distributing translations of the Holy Koran and similar (what other "book" based religions are there) the situation wouldn't have arisen, just as hospital chaplains of many faiths cooperate effectively in hospitals.

Sounds good to me. Question is: why isnt anybody doing this already? (or do we not know of them?) Im sure its been thought off!

 

[ebia]

Sounds good to me. Question is: why isnt anybody doing this already? (or do we not know of them?) Im sure its been thought off!

Dunno

 

[The Bad Templar]

Dunno

Maybe you should ebia.

Islamic apologetics seems right up your alley.

 

[tgg]

In a nutshell: leave people to their own thoughts. If people want to study the Bible, then let them be free to do so.

There are people who have derived comfort and good changes to their physical, mental, emotional and spiritual health from studying the Bible. Let him who has eyes read, and to him who has ears to listen.

 

[The Bad Templar]

I've just been flicking through my old copy of the Koran.

There's not much hope for the sick, succour for the suffering or comfort to the grieving.

Not much point putting it in hospitals.

 

[MOTH]

Which brings us back to the point, tgg, about the banning of bibles in Australian hospitals It seems it hardly raises an eyebrow if the Bible is banned, but if it was even suggested that the Koran be banned, well I can imagine the rumpus. Hardly a whimper can be heard from those champions of minorities when it comes to the Bible coming under fire, though. Perhaps it's because it's not PC to object in defence of the majority. (sigh) I'm really beginning to hate and disrespect the PC slant on all sorts of issues. Surely I'm not alone in this.

 

[tgg]

Moth,

You are not alone in this. I've had a gut-full of these PC nazis. To them some religions are more PC than others. Yet I doubt if these people have ever set foot outside their own country and endured some of the hardships that Christians have got to go through in countries where virtually NO freedom of speech is allowed.

I am completely anti-racist, anti-sexist, and anti-homophobic, but it does not make me PC.

I long for the days when political incorrectness simply referred to not filling out a ballot form properly.

 

[meebs]

Moth,

You are not alone in this. I've had a gut-full of these PC nazis. To them some religions are more PC than others. Yet I doubt if these people have ever set foot outside their own country and endured some of the hardships that Christians have got to go through in countries where virtually NO freedom of speech is allowed.

I am completely anti-racist, anti-sexist, and anti-homophobic, but it does not make me PC.

I long for the days when political incorrectness simply referred to not filling out a ballot form properly.

i totally agree and youve given me the thing to explain when i tell people my views

 

[MOTH]

Phew! Thanks guys! You know, it's a real worry that when and if, one states one's views, one has to worry about being slammed as a bigot or a racist if it just happens to oppose a minority view! I despair where this precious, special country is heading along with other Western nations, just for being tolerant and accepting of those whose religion and culture is different. So much for multiculturalism!!! Let's say that this particular trojan horse (multiculturalism) has stealthily secreted the seeds of our own destruction within it's approaches of 'friendship' to us, while all the while, most of us have been so imobilised and gagged by PC, as to be afraid to raise a whimper of protest(sigh)! What fools we have been to accept this blatant bad mannered insult and hijacking to our intrinsic basic rights of free speech and expression. What's so ashaming about this is that some of our own are aiding and abetting them (shudder)! That's treason, in my book!

 

[ebia]

Moth,

You are not alone in this. I've had a gut-full of these PC nazis. To them some religions are more PC than others. Yet I doubt if these people have ever set foot outside their own country and endured some of the hardships that Christians have got to go through in countries where virtually NO freedom of speech is allowed.

On the off chance that some of that was aimed at me, I just thought I would let you know that have been to N.W.F.P. (one of the most fundamentalist Muslim places on earth), and have Christian (as well as Muslim and Kalash) friends who live there.

I am completely anti-racist, anti-sexist, and anti-homophobic, but it does not make me PC.

I can recall ever coming across anyone who says that they are racist, sexist, or homophobic, so claiming one is not doesn't carry much weight. It's what else you do and say that will witness to that.

I've just been flicking through my old copy of the Koran.

There's not much hope for the sick, succour for the suffering or comfort to the grieving.

Whether or not you can find it is irrelevent - if Muslims find it there then thats' what's important.

Which brings us back to the point, tgg, about the banning of bibles in Australian hospitals It seems it hardly raises an eyebrow if the Bible is banned, but if it was even suggested that the Koran be banned, well I can imagine the rumpus. Hardly a whimper can be heard from those champions of minorities when it comes to the Bible coming under fire, though. Perhaps it's because it's not PC to object in defence of the majority. (sigh) I'm really beginning to hate and disrespect the PC slant on all sorts of issues. Surely I'm not alone in this.

You are attacking a straw man. The people in this thread that you object to have not said it's ok to ban the bible - on the contrary. Stop stoking your persecution complex and read what others have said.

 

[ebia]

Phew! Thanks guys! You know, it's a real worry that when and if, one states one's views, one has to worry about being slammed as a bigot or a racist if it just happens to oppose a minority view! I despair where this precious, special country is heading along with other Western nations, just for being tolerant and accepting of those whose religion and culture is different. So much for multiculturalism!!! Let's say that this particular trojan horse (multiculturalism) has stealthily secreted the seeds of our own destruction within it's approaches of 'friendship' to us, while all the while, most of us have been so imobilised and gagged by PC, as to be afraid to raise a whimper of protest(sigh)! What fools we have been to accept this blatant bad mannered insult and hijacking to our intrinsic basic rights of free speech and expression. What's so ashaming about this is that some of our own are aiding and abetting them (shudder)! That's treason, in my book!

 

[MOTH]

Ebia, methinks you protest too much.

 

[MOTH]

On the off chance that some of that was aimed at me, I just thought I would let you know that have been to N.W.F.P. (one of the most fundamentalist Muslim places on earth), and have Christian (as well as Muslim and Kalash) friends who live there.


I can recall ever coming across anyone who says that they are racist, sexist, or homophobic, so claiming one is not doesn't carry much weight. It's what else you do and say that will witness to that.


Whether or not you can find it is irrelevent - if Muslims find it there then thats' what's important.


You are attacking a straw man. The people in this thread that you object to have not said it's ok to ban the bible - on the contrary. Stop stoking your persecution complex and read what others have said.

As usual, Ebia, your comments don't make sense.

 

[ebia]

As usual, Ebia, your comments don't make sense.

::shrug::

If you don't understand anything I've said I guess that would explain something.

 

[Kira Faye]

I'm not a christian and yet I think thats going abit too far....if u don't want to read don't pick it up....if it TRUELLY were a health risk and they had real evidence then thats another issue. Also alot of these hospital especially private are Christiany ones.....St Andrews....gee?! Its political correctness going to far....if they really were concerend why not put a small koran in there or whatever...u don't have to read it no one is making you.

 

[G4m]

Any thoughts about this anyone?

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19130858-2,00.html

Weird...I still have a book of Mormon and the NWT as they were given to me. I was never offended. I even bought my own copy of the Koran and wasn't even offended then!