I didn't say I know the reason.
They appeared and were talking with Jesus about his death
I thought that you were. If I misunderstood I sincerely spologizeWho said they were doing that?
I am pretty sure they didn't appear to just have a chat.I think there was more to it than that.
Why Moses and Elijah? Why not David, from whom Jesus was descended? Or Isaiah, who wrote about the suffering servant? At that point, Jesus didn't particularly need emotional support - not as much as he did in the Garden of Gethsemane, or when he was being nailed to the stake.
It seems that they were there for a reason. If not to support, advise, or consult with him what other reason could there be? As I said above, I'm pretty sure it wasn't just to have a chat.If that's what you want to think, fine.
The text doesn't support that and I don't see what advice they would be able to give him; but no matter.
A good speculative point but like you also say "no one knows what."They were talking with him about his passion, so they must have had something to say. But no one knows what.
The thought that came to me when I originally answered this was that Moses and Elijah then disappeared and all the (Jewish) disciples could see, was Jesus. Maybe it's saying that law and prophecies would be fulfilled by his death, and all people would need from then on, would be Jesus?
I would not know. I haven't studied much of Revelation, nor have I read The Church's theological conclusion. I have always seen Revelation as a work of divine art more than a document that teaches how to apply Christian thought to one's life. That notion may even go against my own Church but I wouldn't know as I said, it's my last priority in Bible study. There are all types of numbers and symbolism contained in Revelations. I'm not sure how anyone can make perfect sense of it.Would you agree that the 2 witnesses in Revelation are likely to be these 2 as well?
I would not know. I haven't studied much of Revelation, nor have I read The Church's theological conclusion. I have always seen Revelation as a work of divine art more than a document that teaches how to apply Christian thought to one's life. That notion may even go against my own Church but I wouldn't know as I said, it's my last priority in Bible study. There are all types of numbers and symbolism contained in Revelations. I'm not sure how anyone can make perfect sense of it.
Would you mind unpacking that a bit more? I have read Daniel but I have not studied it verse for verse in comparison to the rest of the New Testament. I wouldn't know where to look for those prophecies but I'm sure an internet search could get me there. I would just save me some time (and effort) if you could point me to the relevant section. When I "debate" on these things, I do not approach it like I am a scholar. I have in my mind what I have gleaned and learned in, my studies but I hope I don't come across like I am the expert that everyone should yield to. There is always room to learn a new lesson.I see, no wonder you have this view about why the 2 of them at the Transfiguration.
If you are able to accept Daniel's prophetic timetable, that Israel's promised Messiah will be cut off at the 69th week, you will understand better why these 2 figureheads of Israel needed to be there before the cut off.
Would you mind unpacking that a bit more? I have read Daniel but I have not studied it verse for verse in comparison to the rest of the New Testament. I wouldn't know where to look for those prophecies but I'm sure an internet search could get me there. I would just save me some time (and effort) if you could point me to the relevant section. When I "debate" on these things, I do not approach it like I am a scholar. I have in my mind what I have gleaned and learned in, my studies but I hope I don't come across like I am the expert that everyone should yield to. There is always room to learn a new lesson.
I just always have to temper the interpretation I read with the interpretation of the Church whose teachings I choose to follow. So thanks in advance.
I went back and looked at that post and I didn't see anything quoting from the Book of Daniel.Already did to you here Baptism is a work.
Water is purified on a regular bases naturally, thus Water symbolizes that. In 2 kings 2. God instructs Elisha to place salt in the river to purify the water and its still to this day.Romans 8:20-21 NLT - "Against its will, all creation was subjected to God's curse. But with eager hope, the creation looks forward to the day when it will join God's children in glorious freedom from death and decay."
Water is part of "all creation." If all of creation is cursed (by the Lord), how can something cursed provide Purity, Righteousness, and Holiness?
Bact to the name on your link the "Baptism is a work" It was a requirement of Jesus himself to be baptized as God the Father said he was "well pleased" by our Christ's decision to be baptized. If Jesus needed baptism, why don't WE also need baptism? Examp;e: John 3:5
“Jesus answered, 'I tell you the truth, unless a man is born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. '”
Was Jesus exaggerating? Did he lie? Was he telling the truth knowing that he has the full knowledge of God being 100% man AND 100% God? Did Jesus Christ error in this statement?
The post quoted above makes no mention of Daniel's prophecy.
To add to this thought,They were talking with him about his passion, so they must have had something to say. But no one knows what.
The thought that came to me when I originally answered this was that Moses and Elijah then disappeared and all the (Jewish) disciples could see, was Jesus. Maybe it's saying that law and prophecies would be fulfilled by his death, and all people would need from then on, would be Jesus?
John, the first baptistising prophet, foretold of Jesus soon to arrive with HIS gospel that agreed with repentance and faith in the greater one, Jesus' preaching of repentance from sin and believing His good news (the Gospel), foretelling of the ministry of Jesus, but not having for-knowledge of the finishing of Jesus's ministry as a man on earth, dying for mankind, yet his ministry foretold of the death, burial, and rising from the dead. of Jesus. Satan (the Devil) didn't catch on to that finishing truth either. Had that end been fully understood, men, as well as Satan might have hidden Jesus away somewhere to prevent that future necessity required to save believers in Jesus and what He did for us as God coming to mankind as a mere man, demonstrating how people ought to live, believing properly upon God.You mentioned Abraham in your opening post. However, you didn't explain why Abraham, who is our "Father of Faith," could hold such a title if water baptism hadn't yet been instituted. While Abraham held true Faith, so did Job, Moses, Caleb, Joshua, Samuel, and David to mention a few.
What do you think is the basis for these people being Pure, Righteous, Holy, and Blameless? Water baptism was yet to be instituted into the Christian Faith, so how could these people hold a status of Purity? We should keep in mind that there is one God, one Faith, and one Baptism. Therefore, the Faith that Abraham had is the same Faith we are to have today. He is our model of Faith, though Christ hadn't lived, died, and resurrected from the dead.
What do you think of what has been offered above?
"Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." (John 3:7) (KJV).But your error is that you assumed that Jesus was also speaking to us in John 3:5, he was not.
Jesus was clearly speaking TO Nicodemus."Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." (John 3:7) (KJV).
The T words (Thou, thee, thine) are written to one person (singular), and the Y words (Ye, you, yours) are written to two or more people (plural). These personal pronouns even line up with the Greek (Which are not present in most Modern Bibles). Anyway, the point here is that Jesus is basically saying, "Y'all must be born again" This is just the reality of the text that you cannot escape.
"Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." (John 3:7) (KJV).
The T words (Thou, thee, thine) are written to one person (singular), and the Y words (Ye, you, yours) are written to two or more people (plural). These personal pronouns even line up with the Greek (Which are not present in most Modern Bibles). Anyway, the point here is that Jesus is basically saying, "Y'all must be born again" This is just the reality of the text that you cannot escape.
In principle, yes.If you believe that, then you will also follow what Jesus said in Luke 12:32-33.
In principle, yes.
Jesus was speaking to the rich young ruler. When asked which commands he kept, the ruler mentioned those which related to his neighbour. He did not quote the first command - you shall have no other God before me. Money was his god.
This principle applies to us too. If we put anything - church practice, hobbies, family, going out and having a good time, even writing on this forum - before our devotion and commitment to God, we are breaking the first commandment.
If we are not "exceedingly rich" and money is not our god, we are not called to give it up.
Money can do a lot of good to a lot of people. It's not wrong in itself.
So you don’t think Gentiles were not saved in the Old Testament?See the next paragraph, Ephesians 2:11-12.
In Jews' perspective, we are still dogs then.
Yes, He was talking to Nicodemus. That is why the word “Thee” is in the text, too. But when Jesus said, “Ye must be born again” He was saying “Y’all must be born again” referring to Nicodemus and the other Jews and even us today (Who would be reading this text in our Bibles).Jesus was clearly speaking TO Nicodemus.
But his words are applicable to all his followers and those who wish to enter the Kingdom of God.