At least 4 people were killed in a Tulsa, Oklahoma, hospital campus shooting, police say

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I'm a retired nurse and I have never seen anyone get healed from having back surgery.

I'm a computer programmer and I've known 3 friends personally who have had back surgery and were cured of pretty much all their pain. What does that mean?

For what it's worth, I don't necessarily disagree with your greed assessment, but incredulous anecdotes work both ways. ;)
 
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I'm a computer programmer and I've known 3 friends personally who have had back surgery and were cured of pretty much all their pain. What does that mean?
I am pleased you shared it. But, are they still seeing the surgeon?
 
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I am pleased you shared it. But, are they still seeing the surgeon?

Not to my knowledge. Seems to be a one and done in each case, after the usual follow-ups, of course.
 
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Tulsa, Oklahoma, shooting: At least 4 people were killed on St. Francis Hospital campus, police say - CNN

At least four people were killed Wednesday in a shooting on a hospital campus in Tulsa, Oklahoma, police said in a news conference Wednesday evening.

The gunman is also dead, police said. Authorities believe the shooter's gunshot wound was self-inflicted, Tulsa Police Department Deputy Chief Eric Dalgleish said in the news conference.
Several people were also wounded, though no one has life-threatening injuries, police Capt. Richard Meulenberg told CNN on Wednesday night.

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The gunman was not identified but was described as a Black male believed to be between 35 and 40 years old

Well...you can't say Biden's plans for diversity haven't succeeded in some ways.
 
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Not to my knowledge. Seems to be a one and done in each case, after the usual follow-ups, of course.
I would be interested to know for sure, but I understand it if you do not have that kind of knowledge. They are your friends, ask them how their backs feel. People don't usually broadcast their pain to others.
 
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Yeah the man blamed the Doctors from something. But heres one that oddly still does not make the news

"Chicago Weekend Shootings: More Than 50 Shot, 9 Fatally, in Memorial Day Weekend Violence". 2022 May 31.

Just Chicago those shootings have been going on ...hmm well before Trump, Obama.. here we today its still going on and... seems those guns were not so bad no one does anything they just don't report it. In my eyes they left and right do not care. Go for it get rid of guns.. in that one city it wont get better. The GUNS are not the problem. They focus on the wrong thing. Go there look around some day.. yeah thats not guns thats their life thats their world. Shhh lets not talk about it.

Sorry.
 
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Yeah the man blamed the Doctors from something. But heres one that oddly still does not make the news

"Chicago Weekend Shootings: More Than 50 Shot, 9 Fatally, in Memorial Day Weekend Violence". 2022 May 31.

So where did you get this headline?

Oh, here it is... on an NBC affiliate network news station.

Here's another from an international site:

US Memorial Day weekend marked by even more mass shootings

oh, nope. That's Chattanooga. That staunch Democrat strong-hold in... *checks notes* ...Tennessee.

Here's one from ABC News, that small network nobody has heard of detailing all the violence in Chicago. Of course, you'll need to wade through the stories detailing shootings in Philly, Chattanooga, Charleston, SC ( that other Democratic hell-hole), Oklahoma, Houston, Phoenix, Michigan, Nevada, Memphis, Alabama, Florida, California, and Colorado, but it's in there.

Cities across US rocked by Memorial Day weekend shootings

Must be a cover-up!
 
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When I was facing back surgery nearly four years ago, my doctor told me that there was a 70% chance it would reduce my pain enough for prescription pain meds to work, and a 30% chance the surgery would make no difference or make it worse. My own research had turned up the same likelihood.

But praise God, He healed my back miraculously and instantly.

I guess his doctor wasn't as blunt...or he wasn't paying attention.

And there might be a factor of medical debt after unsuccessful surgery as well.

There's a reason I consider major surgery a thing to deliberate. Not all surgeons are the same.

My wife had brain surgery. A procedure called a micro vascular decompression. It's not the most complicated brain surgery but it is invasive. What do I know about brain surgery? It's usually done in the skull.

The specialist we had been seeing openly admitted that they had an in house surgeon who did this, but was inexperienced, my wife was in her mid 20s....she recommended a guy far away whom she graduated with and was out of our network. My insurance will still pay 80% on out of network providers.

When we finally met this guy its a discussion. Medical history, symptoms, severity, what to expect....and then the scary part...everything that can go wrong including death. He gets a little ways into this list...and I can see my wife getting scared.

So I interrupt him. I had a feeling he was the right guy, not too young in his career to make new mistakes....not too old to be on autopilot. So I tell him something like this...

I know you're legally required to tell us this, and I'm going to let you finish, but I'd like to ask you a question first...

I know there's no certainty in these things. You can't make any promises. But if I were just some guy....some stranger who was your neighbor....and after telling me about this upcoming surgery, I asked you how confident you were that it would be successful...what would you say?

This is a carefully phrased hypothetical so that he can tell me how good he feels about the procedure without any later legal trouble. His response was, and I'll never forget it...

I'm 99.9% certain there won't be any problems. I've done hundreds of these procedures. If I were bragging, I'd tell you I could do it in my sleep...but I don't like bragging.

Wife was reassured, surgery was successful, and still extremely expensive, but I never doubted we made the right choice. I'm glad the specialist was honest and recommended a different surgeon, and I'm glad he understood what I was asking....because I still no next to nothing about brain surgery.

Sometimes the legal concerns, the constant stream of patients, causes these professionals to detach themselves emotionally from the patients (not an inherently bad thing) and they stop talking to you like you're a human. Sometimes you have to give them an opportunity to step outside that....see you as someone who is unsure about the very risky and expensive decision you're making. Be your own advocate.
 
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Yes. But ask yourself. Why are so many people so angry.
Being brought up in America, I expect. It seems it is so focussed on the lie that is the ‘American Dream’ that thinking about other people as anything other than competition very rare indeed.
 
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Arm the doctors and nurses! And porters. Every floor cleaner should carry an AM15. Arm the patients!

Anything but reform the Sacred Law!
And body armor.
 
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It was the love of money. I'm a retired nurse and I have never seen anyone get healed from having back surgery. Doctors know this, but they will maim people with a surgery they know does not work for a steady income.
Is it ok to shoot the physician??????????

Having worked in healthcare for 40 years I’ve wanted to throttle a few docs. But killing one of them was never on my mind.
 
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Yeah the man blamed the Doctors from something. But heres one that oddly still does not make the news

"Chicago Weekend Shootings: More Than 50 Shot, 9 Fatally, in Memorial Day Weekend Violence". 2022 May 31.

Just Chicago those shootings have been going on ...hmm well before Trump, Obama.. here we today its still going on and... seems those guns were not so bad no one does anything they just don't report it. In my eyes they left and right do not care. Go for it get rid of guns.. in that one city it wont get better. The GUNS are not the problem. They focus on the wrong thing. Go there look around some day.. yeah thats not guns thats their life thats their world. Shhh lets not talk about it.

Sorry.
The Chicago Law fallacy in action.
 
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IMHO something very sinister is happening to these people to provoke them to carry out these heinous acts.


QFT. Many do not see it though.:(

Yes, I see it and notice it! That's why I'm vegan and eat whole food plant based and avoid processed food. It's in the water or the food supply or something. Maybe on purpose or maybe 50 years from now they will realize something they thought was okay was causing people to flip out. Some sooner than others. Some may just need the right trigger then pop, like the other guy said about the popcorn. I don't know what's causing it. What about all of the random attacks in New York of people just going up to total strangers and attacking them? Something is going on. We are living in the last days. Be watchful and prayerful at all times. :prayer:
 
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When I was facing back surgery nearly four years ago, my doctor told me that there was a 70% chance it would reduce my pain enough for prescription pain meds to work, and a 30% chance the surgery would make no difference or make it worse. My own research had turned up the same likelihood.

But praise God, He healed my back miraculously and instantly.

I guess his doctor wasn't as blunt...or he wasn't paying attention.

And there might be a factor of medical debt after unsuccessful surgery as well.

No doctor ever gives any guarantee that things will 100% work. Because there is no guarantee for ANYTHING, there's always a small chance things won't work. That shooter didn't understand that. But also, lots of people have back issues and back surgery that doesn't work, but they don't go murder their doctor and innocent people.
 
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It was the love of money. I'm a retired nurse and I have never seen anyone get healed from having back surgery. Doctors know this, but they will maim people with a surgery they know does not work for a steady income.

Most of the time it comes from inadequate chairs and the wrong kind of shoes.
 
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