Are We Christians or Israelites?

[SpiritRehab]

Hi Ron4shua

So what happened is, I noticed a while ago that I didn't know our Father's name. So I asked Him and studied, which lead me to an interest in all the Biblical character's real names; which eventually lead me to question a second time, how we got the name "Christian."

Did some study into that and came to the conclusion that our God given name isn't "Christian" but Israel.

Can explain if you'd like.
Would appreciate your thoughts on the issue too.

This identity separation from the name "Christian" helped me be less bias and see more flaws in Christianity than I ever had before.

ie.
1. Teaching that it's Impossible to Stop Sinning
2. God's Law is Done Away With
3. Images of Messiah as a Man
4. Images of the Holy Spirit as an Animal
5. Speaking the name of false gods, but not our Father's
6. Belief in Inerrant Translations
7. Church "circus" model of the Nicolaitans
8. No Love of Truth = 33,000 Divisions
9. Inability to Provoke Jews to Jealousy
10. Baptism into a Denomination (separate-name)
11. Wasting tithes on buildings instead of building up believers
12. Trinity: 1 god in 3 CO-ETERNAL persons? (that's 3 gods)
13. False Gospel: Salvation without Repentance (see heresies #1-12) nor the Love of Righteousness, including Truth.

So in the same way that I could not join one denomination or another, due to false gospels & other heresies, I now find I can no longer call myself Christian, because the religion has too many core corruptions, shared by almost all denominations; and of course the most important truth, the Gospel Message, is corrupted as well

This decision is also influenced by my belief that our God given name, as His people, is Israel, not Christian.

In short, I'm not a Christian anymore, in title & in the above beliefs, but I am even more dedicated to my saviour Yahoshua & my Father Yahouah, than I've ever been before; thanks, I believe, to the Eternal Holy Spirit of Truth.

Anyway, let me know what you think about this most "heretical blasphemy" as my former friends call it.

 

[ron4shua]

Greetings my brother , when you claimed
" huge theological change " you weren't just whistle Dixie !

I'm a Norse yank but I love the south & the folks ,
ALL the folks in it .
I'm going to address each point or your
" theological change " with a comment ,
Elohim YAH willing .
Hope you enjoy music , I'll be back .

 

[SpiritRehab]

Looking forward to your thoughts

I should have said, "to the best of my understanding,"
and not have written in such definite terms.
Thanks for not taking offence.

ps. I've heard the phrase, "you're not just whistling Dixie," but never knew what it meant < though I've been whistling that tune since I was a child Now I know.

Here's my favourite Song of All Time
Adrienne Liesching - In Christ Alone

Primarily for the Lyrics,
which reflect His Glory through the Gospel so well,
but also for the unique Scottish music

 

[SpiritRehab]

Here's my favourite Country Song

 

[ron4shua]

Your favored is very very nice , my brother . I like the country tune also .
I love all worship & praise music .
Especially if it is a part of an immersing .
I understand very little Spanish yet savvy every word .
These are at the top of my extensive lists .

I was on my way for a hearing test & 10 minutes late &
this came on Christian radio , the fish Sacramento .
I had to pullover because my eyes welled up so I could not see .
After some time of listing to it over & over I wondered
why it had the impact on my as it had .
Ask and you will receive !
Then I recollected laying on my death bed in that ice-water
praying for help or painless death . In the twinkling of an
eye , the 105 temp was gone , all I felt was warm LOVE .
Then for the first time in I don't really know , I felt
the bitter cold of the ice-water bath I was in .
Then I understood why my reaction to that song .
The rhythm is the same as my young heart was pounding
when I understood WHO had healed my with that
LOVE . Hallelu-YAH !

I'll be back , ron .

 

[SpiritRehab]

True It is overwhelming at times, when we recognize Yahowuah's glory / righteousness / love; in all that He does. It's a good song, about an experience unique to those born of the Spirit of God. He is Holy

Though at times I am overwhelmed by my wretched flesh, temptation, evil spirits and sin. Then feel ashamed & self-hatred. This life is truly turbulent, as Fleshy creatures being transformed into Spiritual sons of God.

I thank Yahouah we are saved by His Grace through Faith in Yahoshua, His Anointed; rather than by our strength. I still don't fully understand it, but I believe Him when He says He desires that none should perish and that He will save those whom He knows

All Israel shall be saved!
(not the nation, nor the ethnicity, but ALL the believing branches)

Looking forward to your thoughts on my theological change.
When you have time.
No rush.

 

[ron4shua]

Greetings my brother ;
This is as good a place to start as any ! YOU SAID .

"
So what happened is, I noticed a while ago that I didn't know our Father's name. So I asked Him and studied, which lead me to an interest in all the Biblical character's real names; which eventually lead me to question a second time, how we got the name "Christian."

Did some study into that and came to the conclusion that our God given name isn't "
" but Israel.

Can explain if you'd like.
Would appreciate your thoughts on the issue too. "

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Our Fathers " NAME " .

http://biblehub.com/isr/psalms/68.htm
18You have ascended on high, You have led captivity captive, You have received gifts among men, And even the rebellious, That Yah Elohim might dwell there.
Here is 40 witnesses .
http://biblehub.net/search.php?q=yah

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Christian is a derogatory corruption of the word

Messianites by Orthodox Hebrew's . Meant as a slur .
There is no " J " or " J "
sound in the Hebrew alphabet . Never was , is not now & never
will be .

http://biblehub.com/isr/acts/11.htm

26and having found him, he brought him to Antioch. And it came to be that for an entire year they came together in the assembly and taught large numbers. And the taught ones were called ‘Messianites’ first in Antioch.

http://biblehub.com/isr/acts/22.htm

4who persecuted this Way to the death, binding and delivering up into prisons both men and women,
http://www.menfak.no/bibelprog/vines?word=%AFt0000398&rt
http://biblehub.net/search.php?q=followers+of+the+way
" The vulgar "
http://www.menfak.no/bibelprog/vines?word=%AFt0000457

http://www.menfak.no/bibelprog/vines?word=%AFt0000398

http://biblehub.com/isr/genesis/3.htm

24and He drove the man out. And He placed keruḇim at the east of the garden of Ěḏen, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.
Turned " every way " but the correct WAY . Hallelu-YAH .

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" Israel " means ; 2And Elohim spoke to Yisra’ĕl in the visions of the night, and said, “Ya‛aqoḇ, Ya‛aqoḇ!” And he said, “Here I am.
More on the " WAY " . If your offended stop me , question , ASK .
Your brother in Messiah , ron .

 

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