Anger

[Suffolk Sean]

Is righteous anger allowed by scripture? I really need to know because right now I'm pretty upset after reading many posts and seeing people be so self-righteous about their "view" or interpretation of scripture.

I know there are clear points in scripture, but there are many who get legalistic about doing this and doing that...

 

[enoch son]

2 Tim. 3-16 "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, FOR REPROOF, FOR CORRECTION, for the training in righteousness:" Don't sin by letting the sun go down on it. Doesn't say it wouldn't happean.

 

[Asaph]

Is righteous anger allowed by scripture? I really need to know because right now I'm pretty upset after reading many posts and seeing people be so self-righteous about their "view" or interpretation of scripture.

I know there are clear points in scripture, but there are many who get legalistic about doing this and doing that...

Yeah buddy.......[poke, poke].......whatcha gonna do about it?......[pinch, pinch]........you got something to say about it?..........[slap, slap].....

Yeah, I'm an ex-juvenile delenquent and I'm just not a juvenile anymore!!!!

All kidding aside, if I've been party to your misery, please forgive me Sean. I for one need a lot of work in the area of anger and God is working it out for me. I try to remember that while there is such a thing as "righteous" anger, there is still this warning in the scriptures:

James 1:19-20
19 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; 20 for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.
NKJV

I'm learnin.

Grace and Peace,
Asaph

 

[Suffolk Sean]

Yeah buddy.......[poke, poke].......whatcha gonna do about it?......[pinch, pinch]........you got something to say about it?..........[slap, slap].....

Yeah, I'm an ex-juvenile delenquent and I'm just not a juvenile anymore!!!!

All kidding aside, if I've been party to your misery, please forgive me Sean. I for one need a lot of work in the area of anger and God is working it out for me. I try to remember that while there is such a thing as "righteous" anger, there is still this warning in the scriptures:

James 1:19-20
19 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; 20 for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.
NKJV

I'm learnin.

Grace and Peace,
Asaph

No bro, anyone that quotes from NKJV is ok by me

I'm not talking about trying to correct, I'm talking about pharisee like self righteous decrees.

Good verses by the way.

 

[Johnny Be Good]

Could you be 'hearing in the Spirit' that such 'pharisee-like self righteous' statements do not agree with God's Word?

When I unload on folks here, it's because I believe I've just read something written by someone who ought to know better and presents himself as an authority on the subject, yet is clearly leading others astray, according to the Word. It really makes me angry!!! I'm almost always sorry about it later and apologize, but I'm still left with wonder about whether it was OK for me to do that or not. Be angry and sin not--got it. But what about the purposeful, sarcastic, antagonistic tone Jesus had when He spoke the 'woes'?! And what about the overturning of the vendors selling stuff in His house. It was His house--got it. But there are two incidents of anger that was not sin.

 

[Suffolk Sean]

JBG,

What I'm talking about are statements like this: "God hates fa*s"

You have seen it most likely. And although I used an extreme statement to illustrate my point, many christians do that all the time, but much more subtley.

Lord, please keep me teachable, keep me humble, and most of all, keep me.

 

[Johnny Be Good]

Well, if that's your example, you're definately right in that He wouldn't condone such a statement--but it would be because the phrase used an accepted slang/profane term and came out of someone's desire to hurt the individual.

Check this out:

It's OK to hate--God hates the devil. Do a study of this. God loves and hates, so neither can be a sin! What's the opposite of Love? It isn't hate because God hates.

So, what's the opposite of Love (not to side-track your thread or anything--I just want to provide the answer!)? It's fear. The opposit of Love is fear. *Anger is sometimes the outward expression of fear.

What implications do you see with this?

 

[Asaph]

I had heard about this website that is called by the example you used Sean and I finally went to it to see what it was all about. Big mistake. The site was like a inappropriate content site without the inappropriate content. It was so obsessed with deviant sexual behaviors that after I went to look at the site I just felt dirty. It was an orgy of hate and it was all done supposedly in the name of Christ. It was horrible.

That's the sort of thing that fear produces.

Grace and Peace,
Asaph

 

[JimB]

Is righteous anger allowed by scripture? I really need to know because right now I'm pretty upset after reading many posts and seeing people be so self-righteous about their "view" or interpretation of scripture.

I know there are clear points in scripture, but there are many who get legalistic about doing this and doing that...

Years ago when I served as an associate pastor under a rather manipulative pastor, I preached a sermon on the Anger of Christ. The next morning he called me into his office and reamed me good, saying that anger was a work of the flesh and, therefore, always a sin. (Funny thing, though, he was angry when he said it .) I defended my position, though, and said that if that were so then Jesus was guilty of the works of the flesh.

I was fired a few weeks later (so I don’t advise talking back to your superiors).

My contention was that the Bible does, in fact, mention three occasions when Christ was angry: (1). when God’s house was being made into a den of thieves, Matthew 21.13-14; (2). when His disciples prevented children from coming to Him, Mark 10.14; and (3). when the legalists were more interested in Jesus’ adherence to laws and religious rules of conduct than in helping needy people, Mark 3.5.

The difference between His anger and the kind we are usually guilty of (works of the flesh) are that His anger was never for personal reasons, but was always directed to those who in some way slighted or hurt others

So, yes, there is a righteous anger and it should be directed toward leeches who prey on the body of Christ (e.g., like some televangelists) and those in religious authority (legalists and controllers) who lord it over God’s people.

IMO

\o/

 

[Suffolk Sean]

Well, if that's your example, you're definately right in that He wouldn't condone such a statement--but it would be because the phrase used an accepted slang/profane term and came out of someone's desire to hurt the individual.

Check this out:

It's OK to hate--God hates the devil. Do a study of this. God loves and hates, so neither can be a sin! What's the opposite of Love? It isn't hate because God hates.

So, what's the opposite of Love (not to side-track your thread or anything--I just want to provide the answer!)? It's fear. The opposit of Love is fear. *Anger is sometimes the outward expression of fear.

What implications do you see with this?

I would disagree with you here JBG, I believe apathy is the opposite of love.

Here is another example of what I'm speaking of.

I knew of a "minister" that obsessed about divorce. He believe that if you divorced you were in sin. Nothing wrong with holding that belief. He actually manipulated people into breaking up their 2nd marriages and getting back together with their original spouses. This left wreckage in it's wake like you wouldn't believe. But he felt justified because that is what he believed the Word said. So now instead of one broken marriage, you had 2 and people get turned off from Christianity, go figure.

 

[Johnny Be Good]

Very interesting. To me, apathy seemes to be in the middle of the two extremes:

Love--apathy--fear

I'm not sure I understand what you were getting at with your example of the minister obsessed about divorce, though.

 

[Suffolk Sean]

The story relates to self-righteouness. He was so concerned that his pov was correct, he didn't care who he hurt or what things he destroyed.

Now apathy. Love cares, and fear cares too although in a twisted self-serving way.
Apathy doesn't. Love gives, apathay won't.