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[Just The Facts]

Hi

As we all know this is How the World looks today as far as Culture / Religion goes.

Dark Green = Christianity

Light Green = Partial Christianity

Red = Muslim

Purple Eastern Religions.

Well it is easy to see why there are only Three Kingdoms mentioned in End Times prophecy……………….there is the king of the North the king of the South and the kings of the East.

So now Lets look At Daniel which gives us a Blow by Blow account of events leading up to Christ’s return.

Dan 11:40:At the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

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Dan 11:40:…………….: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

Dan 11:41: He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. 42: He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43: But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

Obad:1:18: And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.

Dan 11:44: But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. 45: And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.


Rev 16: 12: And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. 13: And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14: For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

11: And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.12: His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.13: And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.14: And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Rev 19:20: And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.21: And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

21:1: And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.2: And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Isa 2:2: And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3: And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4: And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

 

[Biblewriter]

In Daniel 11:40-45"The king of the North” is the king of the revived northern splinter of the empire of Alexander the Great, that is, the Seleucid empire. The third verse of this chapter says that “a mighty king” would arise. We then read that “when he has arisen, his kingdom shall be broken up and divided toward the four winds of heaven, but not among his posterity nor according to his dominion with which he ruled; for his kingdom shall be uprooted, even for others besides these.” (Daniel 11:4) The next twenty-seven verses (Daniel 11:5-32) describe a long series of wars between “the king of the North” and “the king of the South.” This account covers a number of generations, mentioning events which took place over a period of approximately 130 years. Every act of “the king of the North” in this account was actually committed by one of the Seleucids, a family that ruled out of Antioch in Syria. Every act of “the king of the South” was actually committed by one of the Ptolemies, a family that ruled out of Alexandria in Egypt.

The Ptolemies ruled only over Egypt, but the Seleucids, the kings of the North, ruled over a vast empire. The map below shows the area they ruled. This is compared to the area ruled by the previous Assyrian empire. The map clearly shows that aside from a few sections at the edges, these two empires covered the same area. (The region of today’s Syria and Iraq.) From this we understand that the prophetic character called “the Assyrian” is the same individual as the character called “the King of the North.”

It is remarkable that many otherwise competent students of prophecy miss the plain testimony of this passage. They recognize that in the first twenty-seven verses “the king of the North” in each generation is the current ruler of the Seleucid empire.

It is important to remember that when Alexander the Great died, his four generals divided his kingdom “toward the four winds of heaven,” as we read in Daniel 11:4. Two of these generals were Seleucus and Ptolemy, the first kings of these warring families. At the time of the division, Ptolemy took the southern portion of the kingdom and Seleucus got the eastern portion. But soon after, Seleucus also took over the northern portion and moved his throne there. When we remember this, we realize that “the king of the North” is not just the king of some northern land. He is the king of a particular northern land, that is, the northern splinter of Alexander’s kingdom.

In Daniel 11:36-39 we read of a willful king who will arise. His wickedness is punished by a two pronged attack. “At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him; and the king of the North shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them, and pass through.” (Daniel 11:40) But “the king of the South” quickly drops out of the picture, and the rest of the account deals only with “the king of the North.” “He shall also enter the Glorious Land, and many countries shall be overthrown; but these shall escape from his hand: Edom, Moab, and the prominent people of Ammon. He shall stretch out his hand against the countries, and the land of Egypt shall not escape. He shall have power over the treasures of gold and silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt; also the Libyans and Ethiopians shall follow at his heels. But news from the east and the north shall trouble him; therefore he shall go out with great fury to destroy and annihilate many. And he shall plant the tents of his palace between the seas and the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and no one will help him.” (Daniel 11:41-45) This passage begins with “the king of the North” entering “the Glorious land,” and ends with him “between the seas and the glorious holy mountain.”

But now we must concentrate on two other details of this account. In verse 40 we see the willful king being attacked by “the king of the South” and “the king of the North,” evidently at the same time. But then “the king of the North” subdues many other countries, including “the land of Egypt” and “the Libyans and Ethiopians.” With reference to these details we now need to notice two other prophecies about “the Assyrian.” The first of these is in Isaiah 7.

“The Lord will bring the king of Assyria upon you and your people and your father’s house—days that have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah.” And it shall come to pass in that day That the Lord will whistle for the fly That is in the farthest part of the rivers of Egypt, And for the bee that is in the land of Assyria. They will come, and all of them will rest In the desolate valleys and in the clefts of the rocks, And on all thorns and in all pastures. In the same day the Lord will shave with a hired razor, With those from beyond the River, with the king of Assyria, The head and the hair of the legs, And will also remove the beard.” (Isaiah 7:17-20) In verse 13 this prophecy had been specifically addressed to “the house of David,” so this prophecy specifically states that “the king of Assyria” will come against the land ruled by “the house of David,” that is, the land of Judea, which is now called Israel. But attached to this explicit prophecy is a very interesting detail. This attack will be accompanied by swarms from “Egypt” and “Assyria.” While the swarms in the prophecy are only swarms of insects, it seems obvious from the context that this is typical language. That the real meaning is swarms of soldiers, so many that they resemble swarms of insects. But they come from both of these distant lands at the same time, just as we read of “the king of the North” in Daniel 11:40.

But now we go to Isaiah 20 and read: “the Lord spoke by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, ‘Go, and remove the sackcloth from your body, and take your sandals off your feet.’ And he did so, walking naked and barefoot. Then the Lord said, ‘Just as My servant Isaiah has walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and a wonder against Egypt and Ethiopia, so shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians as prisoners and the Ethiopians as captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt.’” (Isaiah 20:2-4) So we now read that “the king of Assyria” will “lead away” as “captives” both “the Egyptians” and “the Ethiopians.” This is exactly what “the king of the North” does in Daniel 11:43, although the passage in Isaiah does not add that “The king of Assyria” will also lead away the Libyans as prisoners.

“When the Assyrian comes into our land, And when he treads in our palaces, Then we will raise against him Seven shepherds and eight princely men. They shall waste with the sword the land of Assyria, And the land of Nimrod at its entrances; Thus He shall deliver us from the Assyrian, When he comes into our land And when he treads within our borders.” (Micah 5:5-6)

This passage should cause every serious student of Bible prophecy to sit up and take notice. Here we have a very simple statement of coming events. There is nothing in it that is hard to understand. Nothing in it requires deep interpretation. But there is no way to even imagine that it has been fulfilled. This prophecy clearly refers to the future, but is totally missed in every system of prophetic interpretation that is widely accepted today. Something is clearly wrong.

Who is this person called “the Assyrian”? There are a number of prophecies about him. But like this one, they are almost universally missed. I believe this is because almost everyone assumes they only refer to Sennacherib, the Assyrian king who attacked Judea in the time of Hezekiah. But Micah 5:5-6 cannot refer to Sennacherib.

In 2 Kings 18:14-16, Hezekiah surrendered to Sennacherib. In the following chapter, (2 Kings 19) Sennacherib sent his army to Jerusalem anyway, under a commander called “the Rabshakeh.” Hezekiah sent a message to Isaiah, saying, “This day is a day of trouble, and rebuke, and blasphemy; for the children have come to birth, but there is no strength to bring them forth.” (2 Kings 19:3) We thus see that Hezekiah had no strength to resist the mighty Assyrian army, much less “seven shepherds, and eight principal men.” And neither Judah nor Israel has ever invaded Assyria.

Sennacherib attacked Judah during the righteous reign of king Hezekiah, who “trusted in the LORD God of Israel, so that after him was none like him among all the kings of Judah, nor who were before him. For he held fast to the LORD; he did not depart from following Him, but kept His commandments, which the LORD had commanded Moses.” (2 Kings 18:5-6) Nor was it only Hezekiah that was faithful, for “Also the hand of God was on Judah to give them singleness of heart to obey the command of the king and the leaders, at the word of the LORD.” (2 Chronicles 30:12) But “after these deeds of faithfulness, Sennacherib king of Assyria came and entered Judah; he encamped against the fortified cities, thinking to win them over to himself.” (2 Chronicles 32:1) Hezekiah cried out to the Lord, who answered him, “I will defend this city, to save it For My own sake and for My servant David's sake.” (Isaiah 37:35)

But in Isaiah 10:6, the Lord says of the king of Assyria that “I will send him against an ungodly nation, And against the people of My wrath I will give him charge, To seize the spoil, to take the prey, And to tread them down like the mire of the streets.”

Both Hezekiah and his people had been righteous and the Lord promised to save them from Sennacherib. But in the day described in Isaiah 10 the nation will have been ungodly and He will send Assyria to punish them. The first Assyrian was an enemy of God, while the second will actually be His agent.

But this latter day Assyrian does not intend to serve God, “nor does his heart think so.” (Isaiah 10:7) He will therefore be punished “when the LORD has performed all His work on Mount Zion and on Jerusalem.” (verse 12) This clearly refers to the future, for the Lord's “work on Mount Zion and on Jerusalem” will not be finished until all prophecy concerning them has been fulfilled. Again, we read in the twentieth verse of this chapter, “And it shall come to pass in that day that the remnant of Israel, And such as have escaped of the house of Jacob, Will never again depend on him who defeated them, But will depend on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.” This is a clear reference to the last days, for even up to our own time Israel has still not learned to “depend on the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.”

In the first chapter of Nahum “one Who plots evil against the LORD, A wicked counselor,” (verse 11) comes forth from Nineveh, the ancient capitol of Assyria. (Nahum 2:8 and 3:7) In the next to the last verse of the prophecy, this “wicked counselor” is expressly called the “king of Assyria.” (Nahum 3:18) The Lord declares that He will make “an utter end” of this invasion, adding that “affliction will not rise up a second time.” (Nahum 1:9) He then tells His people that “though I have afflicted you, I will afflict you no more.” (verse 12) The Divine history and many prophecies clearly show that Judah’s affliction did not end at the destruction of Sennacherib. The Assyrian invasion was only the beginning of her great and long affliction, which has not yet ended. Indeed, their greatest affliction is still future.

Both the severity and the long duration of this affliction are stressed in the fifth through the tenth chapters of Isaiah. The twenty-fifth verse of the fifth chapter tells us, “Therefore the anger of the LORD is aroused against His people; He has stretched out His hand against them And stricken them.” Then follow the words; “For all this His anger is not turned away, But His hand is stretched out still.” These last words are repeated over and over in the following chapters. (Isaiah 9:12, 9:17, 9:21, and 10:4) The significance of this doleful refrain finally appears in Isaiah 10:24-25: “Therefore thus says the Lord GOD of hosts: ‘O My people, who dwell in Zion, do not be afraid of the Assyrian. He shall strike you with a rod and lift up his staff against you, in the manner of Egypt. For yet a very little while and the indignation will cease, as will My anger in their destruction.’”

The Lord's indignation against His people who dwell “in Zion,” that is, “Jerusalem,” (verse 32) will continue until “the Assyrian” is destroyed. When this takes place, however, the indignation will cease and His anger will finally be “turned away.” How fitting it is that the first of the gentile conquerors of God's people should also be the last; that Judah's thousands of years of suffering should finally be ended in the destruction of their first great oppressor.

We have already noticed the description of the Assyrian’s attack in Isaiah 10. This account continues through verse 32, ending with this remarkable description of the Assyrian’s approach on Jerusalem:

“He has come to Aiath, He has passed Migron; At Michmash he has attended to his equipment. They have gone along the ridge, They have taken up lodging at Geba. Ramah is afraid, Gibeah of Saul has fled. Lift up your voice, O daughter of Gallim! Cause it to be heard as far as Laish; O poor Anathoth! Madmenah has fled, The inhabitants of Gebim seek refuge. As yet he will remain at Nob that day; He will shake his fist at the mount of the daughter of Zion, The hill of Jerusalem.” (Isaiah 10:28-32)

The following details show the daily progress of this attack. Each stop specifically mentioned is marked by a red star in the map below.

Day 1: “At Michmash he has attended to his equipment.”
Day 2: “They have taken up lodging at Geba.”
Day 3: “As yet he will remain at Nob that day.”
Day 4: “He will shake his fist at the mount of the daughter of Zion, The hill of Jerusalem.”

Thus we see that these two attackers, that is, “the Assyrian” and “the king of the North” are identified as future rulers over the same geographic area. They will both attack at approximately the same time. They will also both attack Judea, which is now called Israel. They will both do this at the same time that Egypt attacks. And both of them will also attack Egypt and Ethiopia. In view of this remarkable number of similarities, is it reasonable to doubt that these two prophetic designations represent the same future individual?

 

[Time Watcher]

The next king of the north [Satan's beast in the little horn of Daniel's visions] will come out of the region of the ancient Seleucid Empire which was the 5th fallen .... his 6th smaller and 7th expanded/divided is coming [Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 11:36-45; 12:7; Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-14]

The previous king of the north was Antiochus IV [Daniel 11:21-35] [his exact career]

The visions are focused upon the Middle East proper and at the time the little horn will add Egypt [Southern] to his kingdom and he will eventually dominate the entire region

The other regions of the earth effected by this king are mention and lie outside of his kingdom: these will oppose his rule and he will vanquish and render them insignificant

Western [Revelation 17:16-18; 18:1-21]

Eastern [Orient]

Northern [primarily Russian]

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi Biblewriter

I agree everything up to verse 40 has been accomplished. This post was meant to deal with verse 40 on.

 

[Biblewriter]

Hi Biblewriter

I agree everything up to verse 40 has been accomplished. This post was meant to deal with verse 40 on.

Yes, but my point is that the only rational principle for interpreting the part after verse 40 is to assume that "the king of the north" and "the king of the south" mean the same thing all the way through the chapter. Why would the Holy Spirit waste 35 verses (Daniel 11:5-39), only to have the meaning of the names change when we come to the application? (verse 40 on)

That is, even as the "king of the north" is the current ruler of the Selucid Empire all the way from verse 5 through verse 39, he is still the ruler of the same area in verses 40 through 45.

My point about "the Assyrian" is that these little noticed prophecies about a future "Assyrian" refer to the current ruler of the same area. That is, that the ancient Selucid Empire covered essentially the same area as the much more ancient Assyrian Empire. As shown in the comparative map I posted, the only areas where their borders were different were areas that were either desert or high mountains, that is sparsely settled areas.

There is no scriptural basis for assuming that "the king of the north" refers to Christian lands, as opposed to "the king of the south" referring to Moslem areas. Both of these symbols refer to lands currently ruled by Moslems.

They recognize that in the first twenty-seven verses “the king of the North” in each generation is the current ruler of the Seleucid empire. But then they say that in the last part of the chapter (the part that remains to be fulfilled) the meaning of this term changes. In the future portion of this prophecy (verses 40-45) they interpret this term to mean “Gog,” the king of Russia who attacks Israel in Ezekiel 38 and 39. Why would the Holy Spirit use a full twenty-seven verses to identify “the king of the North,” only to have the meaning change when He came to the application? This idea rebels against reason. But it is not only unreasonable, it twists the entire fabric of prophecy into a hopeless muddle.

There are significant differences between the attacks of “Gog” and “the king of the North.” First, these attackers will be destroyed in different places. The Lord tells Gog “‘You shall fall upon the mountains of Israel, you and all your troops and the peoples who are with you; I will give you to birds of prey of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. You shall fall on the open field; for I have spoken,’ says the Lord GOD.” (Ezekiel 39:3-5) Gog will fall “upon the mountains of Israel” and “upon the open field.” But these are only general. Specific detail is also given. “It will come to pass in that day that I will give Gog a burial place there in Israel, the valley of those who pass by east of the sea; and it will obstruct travelers, because there they will bury Gog and all his multitude. Therefore they will call it the Valley of Hamon Gog.” (Ezekiel 39:11) Gog will be buried in “the valley of those who pass by east of the sea.” This cannot be the place where “the northern army” is destroyed, for its “stench will come up” from “a barren and desolate land” between “the eastern sea” and “the western sea.” (Joel 2:20) A place in Israel between “the eastern sea” and “the western sea” and also “east of the sea” would have to be on the Mediterranean Sea coast. But the coast of the Mediterranean between “the eastern sea” and “the western sea” is a fertile plain. No part of this plain is “barren and desolate.”

Also, the attack in Daniel 11 ushers in “a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time.” (Daniel 12:1) But the attack in Ezekiel 38 and 39 ushers in a time when “‘I will not hide My face from them anymore; for I shall have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel,’ says the Lord GOD.” (Ezekiel 39:29) Again, this “time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time.” (Daniel 12:1) corresponds exactly with the “great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be” we read about in Matthew 24:21. This great tribulation will come upon “those who are in Judea.” (Matthew 24:16) But Gog will attack “My people Israel,”(Ezekiel 38:14-16) not Judah. Some would consider this nit-picking about words, but in the Bible, every word is significant. This is particularly true in regard to end time prophecy. Every detail is significant. Every change in wording is significant. Even so, “the North,” the realm of “the king of the North,” is a different term than “the far north,” from which “Gog” will come. (Ezekiel 38:15) This is highlighted by the fact that in Daniel 11:44 the attacker is troubled by “tidings,” not only “out of the east,” but also “out of the north.” This implies that there is another nation further north than that of “the king of the North.”

Finally, “the land of Egypt shall not escape” from “the king of the North,” and “the Libyans and the Ethiopians” are listed among those he subdues. (Daniel 11:42-43) But we are not told that “Gog” will invade Egypt, and “Ethiopia and Libya” are listed among among his allies. (Ezekiel 38:5) All this makes it plain that “Gog” and “the king of the North” are two different prophetic characters.

 

[zeke37]

The next king of the north [Satan's beast in the little horn of Daniel's visions] will come out of the region of the ancient Seleucid Empire which was the 5th fallen .... his 6th smaller and 7th expanded/divided is coming [Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 11:36-45; 12:7; Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-14]

6 was during Rome. the 7th exists now as Islam
the 8th will be Islamic/Muslim too, and go into perdition

The previous king of the north was Antiochus IV [Daniel 11:21-35] [his exact career]

The visions are focused upon the Middle East proper and at the time the little horn will add Egypt [Southern] to his kingdom and he will eventually dominate the entire region

The other regions of the earth effected by this king are mention and lie outside of his kingdom: these will oppose his rule and he will vanquish and render them insignificant

Western [Revelation 17:16-18; 18:1-21]

it's all localized to one area, the mid east.
where is the west mentioned in Rev17-18?

Eastern [Orient]

why do u assume it is the Orient?
there are plenty of Islamists, east of the region.

Northern [primarily Russian]

Muslim from southern Russia

 

[Time Watcher]

"This cannot be the place where “the northern army” is destroyed, for its “stench will come up” from “a barren and desolate land” between “the eastern sea” and “the western sea.” (Joel 2:20) A place in Israel between “the eastern sea” and “the western sea” and also “east of the sea” would have to be on the Mediterranean Sea coast. But the coast of the Mediterranean between “the eastern sea” and “the western sea” is a fertile plain. No part of this plain is “barren and desolate.”


You have an excellent post above BW

I would only make two adjustments:

The eastern sea is the extent to the Persian Gulf and Indian ocean, not the dead sea .... I think that the battle of Armageddon will fan out across the entire region of the Middle East proper all the way to the borders of India and the borders of Nimrod [Iraq today] .... the same region included in the ancient Selucid Empire at first ... all Muslim today including Pakistan and Afghanistan

I do believe that Ezekiel 38 and 39 is the battle of Armageddon .... the same where the king of the north [the Assyrian 'little horn"] will come to his ending [Daniel 11:45]

Here is why: I think the Lord is addressing Satan in Ezekiel's vision [38; 39] [38:17]

It is this "gog" [Satan] who instigates the attack upon Israel through the Assyrian little horn and his Muslim confederation [there are several other reasons why I believe that this is the battle of Armageddon that I will not address in this posting] [and it will be the same "gog" [Satan] who will cause another human rebellion of nations 1000 years later when he is released from the abyss

I also sees Satan in the details of Daniel 11:36 .... the one honored by the little horn .... the "god" of forces

Egypt is not mentioned in Ezekiel 38 because the little horn will have already have added it to His kingdom just before he invades Israel [I believe that Egyptian lands will be his first to conquer during the the expansion of his kingdom] [Daniel 11:40-41] .... the move on the land of Egypt will give him the southern region possessed by the ancient Assyrian Empire

I also believe that "Ethiopia and Libya" is a reference to the original ancient northern branches of cush [Iraq region today] and put, [Syria region today] in the early post flood years and not the further migrations of the same to Africa ... and that these will be allied with the Assyrian's part of his Middle Eastern kingdom

Satan's entire strategy will fail at Armageddon and his constituantes will be killed and buried by Isreal to cleanse the land for the Lord's millennial kingdom upon the earth

 

[tranquil]

Hi Biblewriter

I agree everything up to verse 40 has been accomplished. This post was meant to deal with verse 40 on.

Both you and Biblewriter need to stop spreading the doctrines of men. All of Daniel 11 is for the future.

Here is Daniel 10, which you both conveniently ignore:

In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a message was revealed to Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar. The message was true, but the appointed time was long;[a] and he understood the message, and had understanding of the vision.

but the time appointedH6635 was long:H1419 and he understoodH995 (H853) the thing,H1697 and had understandingH998 of the vision.H4758

Time appointed, H6635
צבאה צבא
tsâbâ' tsebâ'âh
tsaw-baw', tseb-aw-aw'
From H6633; a mass of persons (or figurative things), especially regularly organized for war (an army); by implication a campaign, literally or figuratively (specifically hardship, worship): - appointed time, (+) army, (+) battle, company, host, service, soldiers, waiting upon, war (-fare).

Here is another, better translation: HCSB
1In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia, a message was revealed to Daniel, who was named Belteshazzar. The message was true and was about a great conflict. He understood the message and had understanding of the vision.

2 In those days I, Daniel, was mourning three full weeks. 3 I ate no pleasant food, no meat or wine came into my mouth, nor did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled. 4 Now on the twenty-fourth day of the first month, as I was by the side of the great river, that is, the Tigris,[b] 5I lifted my eyes and looked, and behold, a certain man clothed in linen, whose waist was girded with gold of Uphaz! 6 His body was like beryl, his face like the appearance of lightning, his eyes like torches of fire, his arms and feet like burnished bronze in color, and the sound of his words like the voice of a multitude.

7 And I, Daniel, alone saw the vision, for the men who were with me did not see the vision; but a great terror fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves. 8 Therefore I was left alone when I saw this great vision, and no strength remained in me; for my vigor was turned to frailty in me, and I retained no strength. 9 Yet I heard the sound of his words; and while I heard the sound of his words I was in a deep sleep on my face, with my face to the ground.

Prophecies Concerning Persia and Greece

10 Suddenly, a hand touched me, which made me tremble on my knees and on the palms of my hands. 11 And he said to me, “O Daniel, man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak to you, and stand upright, for I have now been sent to you.” While he was speaking this word to me, I stood trembling.

12 Then he said to me, “Do not fear, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard; and I have come because of your words. 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to come.”

15 When he had spoken such words to me, I turned my face toward the ground and became speechless. 16 And suddenly, one having the likeness of the sons[c] of men touched my lips; then I opened my mouth and spoke, saying to him who stood before me, “My lord, because of the vision my sorrows have overwhelmed me, and I have retained no strength. 17 For how can this servant of my lord talk with you, my lord? As for me, no strength remains in me now, nor is any breath left in me.”

18 Then again, the one having the likeness of a man touched me and strengthened me. 19 And he said, “O man greatly beloved, fear not! Peace be to you; be strong, yes, be strong!”
So when he spoke to me I was strengthened, and said, “Let my lord speak, for you have strengthened me.”

20 Then he said, “Do you know why I have come to you? And now I must return to fight with the prince of Persia; and when I have gone forth, indeed the prince of Greece will come. 21 But I will tell you what is noted in the Scripture of Truth. (No one upholds me against these, except Michael your prince.

The "scripture of truth" from above is another wonderful mangling of words in the KJV. This "scripture of truth" is the "little book" of the mighty angel in Rev. 10. The mighty angel in Rev 10 has a "voice of thunders"

And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: 2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The Dan 10:5 description of "voice of the multitude" is the "7 thunders voice".

The "mighty angel" of Rev 10 is fighting the king of Persia and then fights the king of Greece.

By your reckoning, the mighty angel of Rev 10 showed up many centuries ago!
20 Then he said, “Do you know why I have come to you? And now I must return to fight with the prince of Persia; and when I have gone forth, indeed the prince of Greece will come. 21 But I will tell you what is noted in the Scripture of Truth. (No one upholds me against these, except Michael your prince.


Then it immediately segues into Dan 11:

2 “And now I will show you the truth. Behold, three more kings shall arise in Persia, and a fourth shall be far richer than all of them. And when he has become strong through his riches, he shall stir up all against the kingdom of Greece. 3 Then a mighty king shall arise, who shall rule with great dominion and do as he wills. 4 And as soon as he has arisen, his kingdom shall be broken and divided toward the four winds of heaven, but not to his posterity, nor according to the authority with which he ruled, for his kingdom shall be plucked up and go to others besides these.

As per Daniel 7, 1st the lion w/ eagle wings, then the Bear (Russia/ Iran) (Medes/ Persia), then the mighty king of Greece, then the 4th beast.

(note that the end of the 2300 days from the start of Nov 21, 2013 is dusk march 9, 2020 which is the start of Purim, celebrating the deliverance from tribulation from Haman.)

The mighty king that arises is the king that is given global dominion in Dan 2:

Daniel 2
28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;
29 As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass. [...]



39 “After you, another kingdom will arise, inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth.

It's the same king that arises in Daniel 7:
6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

The Leopard is Greece. Greece is the Goat that defeats the Ram/ Bear (Russia and Iran) in Daniel 8
19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.


All of Daniel 11 is for the future.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Could someone explain to me what "Partial Christianity" is?

Does it involve like 2/3 of the Trinity and half a crucifix?

Also, why is Ethiopia--one of the oldest predominantly Christian nations in the world--colored red?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Jipsah]

Kinda funny that China is dismissed as following "Eastern religions", when there are estimates that there are between 100,00,000 and 150,000,000 Christians there. Think of that as being half as many Christians in China as there are people in the US. And although it's small, in South Korea the majority of those who profess any religion at all are now Christians, and Korea sends more missionaries into the world now that any other country.

Looks like the "picture" in the subject was drawn using some very old data, or was just based on someone's prejudiced view of the world.

 

[Biblewriter]

Both you and Biblewriter need to stop spreading the doctrines of men. All of Daniel 11 is for the future.

Here is Daniel 10, which you both conveniently ignore:

In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a message was revealed to Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar. The message was true, but the appointed time was long;[a] and he understood the message, and had understanding of the vision.


The "scripture of truth" from above is another wonderful mangling of words in the KJV. This "scripture of truth" is the "little book" of the mighty angel in Rev. 10. The mighty angel in Rev 10 has a "voice of thunders"

The Dan 10:5 description of "voice of the multitude" is the "7 thunders voice".

The "mighty angel" of Rev 10 is fighting the king of Persia and then fights the king of Greece.

By your reckoning, the mighty angel of Rev 10 showed up many centuries ago!
20 Then he said, “Do you know why I have come to you? And now I must return to fight with the prince of Persia; and when I have gone forth, indeed the prince of Greece will come. 21 But I will tell you what is noted in the Scripture of Truth. (No one upholds me against these, except Michael your prince.


Then it immediately segues into Dan 11:

As per Daniel 7, 1st the lion w/ eagle wings, then the Bear (Russia/ Iran) (Medes/ Persia), then the mighty king of Greece, then the 4th beast.

(note that the end of the 2300 days from the start of Nov 21, 2013 is dusk march 9, 2020 which is the start of Purim, celebrating the deliverance from tribulation from Haman.)

The mighty king that arises is the king that is given global dominion in Dan 2:
It's the same king that arises in Daniel 7:
6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

The Leopard is Greece. Greece is the Goat that defeats the Ram/ Bear (Russia and Iran) in Daniel 8
19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.


All of Daniel 11 is for the future.

Your post is rather confusing. But you seem to be interpreting all prophecies about events that were future as of the time of the prophesy to be still future.

There is no rational way to avoid the fact that the four kingdoms prophesied in Daniel 2:37-40 literally came, exactly as prophesied, and in the prophesied order. But Daniel 2:41-45 has not yet been fulfilled.

And these is no rational way to avoid the fact that the four kingdoms described in Daniel 7:17 indeed came, in the order and with the characteristics described in Daniel 7:3-7a. But Daniel 7:24-28, with the characteristics described in Daniel 7:7b-14 have not yet been fulfilled.

In the same way, there is no rational way to avoid the fact that every event prophesied in Daniel 11, up to the middle of verse 35, was indeed literally fulfilled, down to the smallest detail. But Daniel 11:35 described a situation that it said would continue "even to the time of the end." and not a single detail of the rest of the chapter has been fulfilled. This is highlighted by the words "at the time of the end" in verse 40.

This principle of combining events in the near and far future is highlighted in Daniel 8:20-23, where we first read of events that indeed took place in the past, the dual kingdom of the Medes and the Persians and the kingdom of Greeks. And then we explicitly read, "in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full." (Daniel 8:23) Then the account goes on and none of the rest has happened.

The point of all these prophesies was not to satisfy curiosity. Nor was it to warn ancients of events that were coming in only a few hundred years. The point was to establish who the prophesies were about, by first telling of events that were still future, but which would be fulfilled in ancient times. The Holy Spirit proved that these prophesies came from Himself by explicitly stating these events before they happened. But He used these ancient events to establish the identities of the nations that would be involved in the end time events He was revealing.

 

[Anto9us]

I don't think the colors are exact - just a general idea - and having been in South Korea for a year in the Air Force, I would consider it a VERY "Christian country"

As to what Partial Christianity is, ViaCrucis, I'm sure I don't know - but I notice only the first three maps had the light green color - then dark green took over

Maybe the partials went "full" - like preterists.

And yeah, Ethiopia is anciently Christian

so its not exact, but a rough idea

 

[Anto9us]

"Does it involve like 2/3 of the Trinity and half a crucifix?"

I cannot help but point out that the Mesopotamian hero Gilgamesh was said to be two-thirds divine and one third human - he had a goddess-mother and ancient math and genetics were apparently different from today

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi Anto

The partial just means that there is a mix of religious beliefs and cultures and traditions. Europe and North and South America are 90% plus Christian. Even if not practising the culture is Christian.

Hi Bible

Your response is detailed and lengthy I have not had the time to respond properly but I will try tonight.

 

[WisdomTree]

Just for a moment, I swore this was a Song of Ice and Fire adaptation where I was wondering, "Robb Stark owns all of Eurasia!?"

 

[zeke37]

Hi Anto

The partial just means that there is a mix of religious beliefs and cultures and traditions. Europe and North and South America are 90% plus Christian. Even if not practising the culture is Christian.

Hi Bible

Your response is detailed and lengthy I have not had the time to respond properly but I will try tonight.

I think just about every nation has some sort of mix in them.

from Religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The largest religion in the US is Christianity, claimed by the majority of the population (76% in 2008[3]).
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[zeke37]

I still think the king of the north is a Muslim leader, not usa/Europe etc.

 

[WisdomTree]

I still think the king of the north is a Muslim leader, not usa/Europe etc.

King of the North is Robb Stark, son of Eddard Stark of Winterfell.

 

[Gottservant]

Dude! I just got the biggest revelation that there is a correct way of looking at the globe (from Israel's standpoint). Massive!

Thanks heaps.

 

[Just The Facts]

HI Zeke

I know you are lost in that false belief LOL I am teasing you. I know you have come to believe that but I am convinced that over the next few months I can show you that is just not what this is about. When the majority is Christian it is Green when it is not a majority I did light green and I am aware that for parts of Africa, Korea and Japan it may not be very accurate.

Hi Bible

I decided to go about this a bit differently so I wish to ask you a couple of Questions so I understand what you believe.

You believe that this Chapter ie Dan 11 starts with Alexander and Ends with the return of Jesus Correct?