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When God makes promises, He keeps them. God showed Abraham the land he was to inherit. God told Abraham to literally walk that land.
14And the Lord said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him: “Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are—northward, southward, eastward, and westward; 15for all the land which you see I give to you and your [c]descendants forever. 16And I will make your descendants as the dust of the earth; so that if a man could number the dust of the earth, then your descendants also could be numbered. 17Arise, walk in the land through its length and its width, for I give it to you.” (Gen 13:14-17)
Abraham never did possess that land. But he will, and so will all of his faithful descendants because God keeps His promise.
Well now you have me really confused. So when Israel took possession of the land, as described in the books of Exodus and Joshua, that didn't count? Taking possession of the land is still yet future? Who takes possession of it? If that wasn't promised to Israel and fulfilled under the Old Covenant, then how and who? Do you believe that Christians will take possession of the land? Because if when the Jews took possession of it thousands of years ago that doesn't count, why would Jews living in the land today count?
And how do you understand "to you and your descendants forever"? Do you understand it as until the conclusion of the Old Covenant? Until the conclusion of history? Or for eternity?
I ask all these questions, because I want to understand exactly what it is you believe and understand these things. Because it sounds to me like you are saying that the promise to Abraham about his descendants going into the land did not happen in the Old Testament, but also I don't think you are talking about--as the New Testament does--about all who have faith in the Messiah being sons and daughters of Abraham; but rather to Jews under the Old (and according to Hebrews, obsolete) Covenant, in modern times, entering the land.
Is that a somewhat correct assessment of your belief?
If it is, how do you reconcile that belief with literally everything written in the Bible? Because in the Bible the immediate promise of entering into the land was fulfilled following the Exodus and establishment of the Covenant in Sinai, it is described in, e.g. Joshua, when the various Canaanite powers were conquered by the Jews and they came into the land, and eventually the kingdom of Israel was established. But according to the New Testament the greater promise is the promise of Christ, the New Covenant established at Mt. Golgotha by His shed blood on the cross; and that the fullness of the promise, for all who have faith, is the gift of righteousness from God, by which we enter into the greater "land" of eternal life and the renewal of all creation. Which is why, e.g., St. Paul speaks of our home as being from the "Jerusalem which is above"
"Now this may be interpreted allegorically; these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds with the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written,
'Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.'
Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. But what does the Scripture say? 'Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.' So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman." - Galatians 4:24-31
It is not the covenant of land promises concerning a piece of real estate in the Levant; but the heavenly promises which are of importance. The land was inherited, in order that God's promises concerning the future Messiah might come: "But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons." (Galatians 4:4-5)
Surely this is obvious, right?
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