Fish who won't evolve.

Extraneous · Feb 9, 2016

DogmaHunter said:
Really now?
Then how was my depressed friend cured by a psychologist?

Another friend of mine suffered from chronic psychotic episodes. A psychiatrist helped him get rid of that as well, with anti-psychotic medicine and some cognitive therapy.

Some things, like severe schizofrenia, are dificult to treat and in some cases impossible to cure (at this point), yes. That doesn't make it supernatural.

Just like a terminal cancer doesn't mean a supernatural entity is behind it either.

Sometimes mental illness goes away by itself as well when it is just a temporary imbalance in brain chemistry, which can be caused by any number of things.

None of this requires supernatural shenannigans to be explained.
In fact, supernatural shenannigans has no explanatory power whatsoever. Not in the matter of mental illness, nore in any other subject area.

You're misrepresenting the actual real world.

I dont believe that super natural enemies are responsible for cancer. I believe that we are all dying and cancer is only one of many ways that it will happen. Why blame demons when i can just blame death itself?

Extraneous · Feb 9, 2016

DogmaHunter said:
It sounds like your entire case is based on an appeal to emotion. Are you aware that this is a fallacy?

No, its based on reality and experience. You know fully well that you cannot possibly disprove what i am saying. Therefore its illogical for you to try. The fallacy is yours.

DogmaHunter · Feb 9, 2016

Extraneous said:
You're misrepresenting the actual real world.

No, I'm actually quite literally going by commonly observed reality.

I dont believe that super natural enemies are responsible for cancer.

That's a relief. You know, there are those that DO believe this?

Why blame demons when i can just blame death itself?

Why blame "demons" ever, when demons can't even be shown to be real?

DogmaHunter · Feb 9, 2016

Extraneous said:
No, its based on reality and experience.

Not really, because whenever you are questioned about this "reality and experience", all you can do is point to your emotions.... At least, that's what you have been doing in this thread.

I must have missed the part where you pointed to supernatural manifestations in commonly observed reality.

You know fully well that you cannot possibly disprove what i am saying.

Shifting the burden of proof is also a fallacy.

Here's an example:
I claim that an undetectable 7-headed dragon is following you around everywhere.
Can you disprove that claim? No? Does this mean that you will start believing it?

No? Then you must realise how utterly pointless it is to point out that a certain thing can't be disproved.

Especially when that certain thing is specifically defined as being unfalsifiable.

Therefore its illogical for you to try. The fallacy is yours.

I'm not trying to disprove the unfalsifiable.
I'm merely pointing out that the unfalsifiable is meaningless and without substance.

It is YOUR job to provide support your claims.
It is YOUR job to live upto your burden of proof.

Extraneous · Feb 9, 2016

DogmaHunter said:
Not really, because whenever you are questioned about this "reality and experience", all you can do is point to your emotions.... At least, that's what you have been doing in this thread.

I must have missed the part where you pointed to supernatural manifestations in commonly observed reality.

Shifting the burden of proof is also a fallacy.

Here's an example:
I claim that an undetectable 7-headed dragon is following you around everywhere.
Can you disprove that claim? No? Does this mean that you will start believing it?

No? Then you must realise how utterly pointless it is to point out that a certain thing can't be disproved.

Especially when that certain thing is specifically defined as being unfalsifiable.

I'm not trying to disprove the unfalsifiable.
I'm merely pointing out that the unfalsifiable is meaningless and without substance.

It is YOUR job to provide support your claims.
It is YOUR job to live upto your burden of proof.

I refer to my emotions because God promised to give me a new heart. He didn't promise to give me a new car, but instead a new heart. What else would i be looking for?

Ana the Ist · Feb 9, 2016

Extraneous said:
I find the opposite to be true. People fear death less when they live by faith.

Or denial...same effect.

Extraneous · Feb 9, 2016

Ana the Ist said:
Or denial...same effect.

So we are arguing if Christians live in fear. Im not afraid. Are you?

Larniavc · Feb 9, 2016

Extraneous said:
You however cannot measure the power or substance of love,

Yes you can. You can ask the question framed in a 1-10 scale. For example, I love my sister about 6/10 but my wife and son 10/10.

There: I measured love.

Larniavc · Feb 9, 2016

Extraneous said:
Emotions are an extension of our soul.

No the are not. They are a physiological response to a stimulous that affect our cognitions, behaviour and (further) physiology.

Larniavc · Feb 9, 2016

Extraneous said:
Science cannot even begin to probe the mystery of the mind

The science of psychology disagrees.

Extraneous · Feb 9, 2016

Larnievc said:
No the are not. They are a physiological response to a stimulous that affect our cognitions, behaviour and (further) physiology.

And you know this because you examined the soul with scientific instruments? lol Get serious. I appreciate your analysis but it hardly contradicts anything i have said.

Extraneous · Feb 9, 2016

Larnievc said:
The science of psychology disagrees.

Its not the end of the world.

Larniavc · Feb 9, 2016

Extraneous said:
And you know this because you examined the soul with scientific instruments? lol Get serious. I appreciate your analysis but it hardly contradicts anything i have said.

The sould does not exist. If you can demonstrate that ti does, I'm all ears but the soul is just another unevidenced assertion.

Archaeopteryx · Feb 9, 2016

Extraneous said:
Science cannot even begin to probe the mystery of the mind and soul. They cannot cure mental illness nor can they understand it.

Yes we can.

Extraneous · Feb 9, 2016

Larnievc said:
The sould does not exist. If you can demonstrate that ti does, I'm all ears but the soul is just another unevidenced assertion.

The soul is what makes you who you are. If you deny your soul you deny yourself. You are a real person aren't you? Yes you are reading this and hearing my words, you are real. Welcome to your soul.

Extraneous · Feb 9, 2016

Archaeopteryx said:
Yes we can.

lol, ok

Larniavc · Feb 9, 2016

Extraneous said:
The soul is what makes you who you are. If you deny your soul you deny yourself. You are a real person aren't you? Yes you are reading this and hearing my words, you are real. Welcome to your soul.

You are simply making a claim and not providing any evidence to support your claim.

I could just as easily say you have a Thetan affecting every single decision you make, even writing your last post to me; all influenced by your Thetan.

Welcome to your Thetan. Do you see the point I'm making?

Extraneous · Feb 9, 2016

Larnievc said:
You are simply making a claim and not providing any evidence to support your claim.

I could just as easily say you have a Thetan affecting every single decision you make, even writing your last post to me; all influenced by your Thetan.

Welcome to your Thetan. Do you see the point I'm making?

Friend, anyone who has an hear will hear, its not for me to prove anything.

Archaeopteryx · Feb 9, 2016

Extraneous said:
Friend, anyone who has an hear will hear, its not for me to prove anything.

Then don't expect to be taken seriously.

Extraneous · Feb 9, 2016

Archaeopteryx said:
Then don't expect to be taken seriously.

I was under no delusion that you would.

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