Tools far pre date man, evolution theory kicked in face

Cearbhall · May 29, 2015

dad said:
Oh? so name some real tool making factories that make stone tools. Good luck with that.

I don't even know what you're trying to say anymore.

dad said:
Filthy fibs and cunningly devised fables may strike some as a good education. For others, the ability to discern Satanic lies and falsely called science from truth would be considered a good education. Education alone is garbage anyhow, without God! Total filthy smelly garbage of the worst kind. Man cannot come to a knowledge of the truth except by Jesus and His word.

There are plenty of Christian believers of intelligent design and theistic evolution who have managed to reconcile the two. I personally went to Catholic schools and was taught that evolution is correct. History is not a threat to your religion.

dad · May 29, 2015

Cearbhall said:
I don't even know what you're trying to say anymore.

Chimps did not make stone tools did they?

There are plenty of Christian believers of intelligent design and theistic evolution who have managed to reconcile the two.

There is no way to reconcile unbelief with belief all one can do is to chose one or the other.

I personally went to Catholic schools and was taught that evolution is correct. History is not a threat to your religion.

No. History is not a threat to Jesus creating the world at all. What some people believe rather than the bible really doesn't matter.

Cearbhall · May 29, 2015

dad said:
There is no way to reconcile unbelief with belief all one can do is to chose one or the other.

Why not just believe that evolution was God's way of creating man? Evolution happened. To say that Christianity conflicts with it is to say that Christianity isn't true.

TLK Valentine · May 29, 2015

dad said:
Speaking of remains to be seen, it remains to be seen if that monkey show was natural, and widespread, or set up. Did anyone teach them that and stick rocks together there, and drop nuts? Would chimps all over do this? Etc. That is hardly making tools, it is using some.

So you're claiming a conspiracy?

TLK Valentine · May 29, 2015

dad said:
Name any apostle or prophest in the bible that did not believe God created the heavens and earth and man literally?

Generally speaking, most characters in storybooks accept the storybook reality they're written into.

Evolution is meant to replace God. One cannot think of God as a Liar.

I wasn't aware you made the rules -- probably because you don't.

Jesus confirmed Scripture and Scripture confirmed creation. You do not get a vote, nor does a pope, or Obama, or anyone else.

Nor do you. But by all means, continental to blather.

TheBear · May 29, 2015

TLK Valentine said:
So you're claiming a conspiracy?

Yes. Without a doubt, it's a conspiracy. Chimps using rocks as anvils and hammers to crack open nuts, sharpening sticks and using them as spears to hunt ...... all stuff of Hollywood .... just like the moon landing. It's all a giant conspiracy, created by the devil himself, to deceive us all!

dad · May 29, 2015

TLK Valentine said:
So you're claiming a conspiracy?

No. I am asking if this was a natural scene that is normal and seen in chimps everywhere or not. One flick that spouts off a story without showing any details of the act is hardly scientific evidence.

dad · May 29, 2015

TheBear said:
Yes. Without a doubt, it's a conspiracy. Chimps using rocks as anvils and hammers to crack open nuts, sharpening sticks and using them as spears to hunt ...... all stuff of Hollywood .... just like the moon landing. It's all a giant conspiracy, created by the devil himself, to deceive us all!

Even if the chimps in that one spot did somehow learn to crack nuts with no coaching from humans (prove it) that doesn't mean they flaked tools from stone in a wide variety. You must be delusional.

dad · May 29, 2015

TLK Valentine said:
Generally speaking, most characters in storybooks accept the storybook reality they're written into.

That means what...Goldilocks really had a wolf ask her questions?

I wasn't aware you made the rules -- probably because you don't.

The simple fact that God cannot be called a liar is bible basics 101. To insinuate otherwise is to display the utmost ignorance of Scripture in a basic way.

Nor do you.

I never asked for a vote as to whether Jesus confirmed Scripture and that Scripture confirms creation![/QUOTE]

dad · May 29, 2015

Cearbhall said:
Why not just believe that evolution was God's way of creating man?

Because His way is told to us in black and white plainly. He formed man from dust and gave us life.He did not order some imaginary speck lifeform to slowly evolve and form us.

Evolution happened.

Only after we were created. Just like reproduction and aging happens.

To say that Christianity conflicts with it is to say that Christianity isn't true.

No. It says believe God or man. Get off the fence.

TheBear · May 29, 2015

dad said:
Even if the chimps in that one spot did somehow learn to crack nuts with no coaching from humans (prove it) that doesn't mean they flaked tools from stone in a wide variety. You must be delusional.

No. You're the one who is delusional .... unless you can prove that those chimps were taught by humans to use stones and sticks. Can you show us where and how they were taught this by humans, or, are you just grasping at straws because your denial and delusion is so great?

loveofourlord · May 29, 2015

dad said:
Now get them to make weapons to hunt for meat and some scrapers.

I think the fact remains for evolution time claims..

Does this count as using weapons to hunt for food? http://www.iflscience.com/plants-an...le-chimps-may-have-pioneered-tool-use-hunting

TheBear · May 29, 2015

loveofourlord said:
Does this count as using weapons to hunt for food? http://www.iflscience.com/plants-an...le-chimps-may-have-pioneered-tool-use-hunting

Nah. They were trained by humans to do that. Just ask Dad. He was there when they were trained by humans. He's got the evidence. Piece of cake!

dad · May 30, 2015

TheBear said:
No. You're the one who is delusional .... unless you can prove that those chimps were taught by humans to use stones and sticks. Can you show us where and how they were taught this by humans, or, are you just grasping at straws because your denial and delusion is so great?

I do not know that they were. Or not. Do you? One way to find out is to test the theory elsewhere. Observe. Repeat. Was that scene with the file crew for TV subjected to ant peer review as some sort of finding of science? Who oversaw the experiment? Who funded it? Were the camera crew all unbiased scientists? Etc. One can train a chimp to operate a computer also to some extent. The trick is to find a computer manufacturing center and use in the wild!

To claim ignorantly and with no evidence or proof that the many tools found were manufactured by some ape relatives is pure delusional religion that is anti Christ. I kid you not. That is where we are at here.

dad · May 30, 2015

loveofourlord said:
Does this count as using weapons to hunt for food? http://www.iflscience.com/plants-an...le-chimps-may-have-pioneered-tool-use-hunting

Let me get this straight. Because a bird was seen with a branch, that means that birds pioneered housing?

The issue here is flaking rocks into tools. Not some monkey woman at the wrong time of month grabbing a large twig to impale someone with!

TLK Valentine · May 30, 2015

dad said:
No. I am asking if this was a natural scene that is normal and seen in chimps everywhere or not. One flick that spouts off a story without showing any details of the act is hardly scientific evidence.

Why would it have to be seen in chimps everywhere? Some chimps are smarter than others.

People, too.

dad · May 30, 2015

TLK Valentine said:
Why would it have to be seen in chimps everywhere? Some chimps are smarter than others.

People, too.

What you need is proof that this isolated incident apparently, that was filmed, has more credence than X files! You need details like who sponsored the shoot, what guarantees the shore are that man did not coax, teach, aid or abet the chimp and nut bash show in any way, etc.
Otherwise it might as well be sasquatch.

All that being said, banging nuts on rocks is not making stone tools or weapons.

davedajobauk · May 30, 2015

dad said:
To claim ignorantly and with no evidence or proof that the many tools found were manufactured
by some ape relatives is pure delusional religion that is anti Christ.
I kid you not. That is where we are at here.

Oh, I thought you might hazard a guess (or two)
as to what, or, who WAS responsible for their manufacture

and in doing so
help us poor delusional souls, whom, just-happen-to, find the discovery (about which, there is little doubt)
to be so-much of 'a puzzle', chronologically speaking
Seeing as how,
God, made every living creature and plant, on the planet,
and creating this mystery, as to how some folks can believe
that man's time, here on the planet is constrained to, 'something-like' 7,000 years [ONLY]

dave

dad · May 30, 2015

davedajobauk said:
Oh, I thought you might hazard a guess (or two)
as to what, or, who WAS responsible for their manufacture

Why guess? As if there really was any doubt men made them. Probably post flood.

TLK Valentine · May 30, 2015

dad said:
What you need is proof that this isolated incident apparently, that was filmed, has more credence than X files!

I don't see the see the "need" to satisfy unsatisfiable conspiracy blather.

You need details like who sponsored the shoot, what guarantees the shore are that man did not coax, teach, aid or abet the chimp and nut bash show in any way, etc.
Otherwise it might as well be sasquatch.

So don't believe it -- see if anyone cares.

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